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2009 Honda Pilot vs. 2008 Mazda CX-9 vs. 2008 Toyota Highlander - Although we've been hearing about a mad dash to get out of sport-utility vehicles and into fuel-efficient compacts, the reality is that seven- and eight-passenger crossover SUVs like the 2008 Mazda CX-9, 2008 Toyota Highlander and 2009 Honda Pilot aren't going away anytime soon. (more)
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Replying to: citivas (Jul 31, 2008 7:07 am) I would have loved a system like the Pilot's...but we didn't like the look of the Pilot at all, and it lacks a bit in power, imo......
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Jul 31, 2008 2:03 pm) what you described is a typical "passive" AWD. It detects slippage and reacts. Mazda's ATS-AWD is called "active" for a reason. Here is what the Australian Mazda website describe the Mazda Speed6's AWD (similar one is used on CX7 and CX9) ... http://www.mazda.com.au/Technology%20and%20Environment/Driving%20technology/Acti- ve%20Torque%20Split.aspx ... On top of that, there are three modes Normal, Sports and Snow plus a Power TakeOff module to assist fast acceleration by sending more torque to the rear. It also adjust torque split at turns. i.e. it is more active than passive. However, I can't seem to able to find the 90/10 torque-split that the prevous post refers to.
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Replying to: nxs138 (Jul 31, 2008 2:36 pm) Anyway, the speed-lockout on Toyota/Mazda is a big headache. Buyers be aware of it. One needs to buy an aftermarket kit to bypass it (essentially cuts the VSS input to the NAVI unit when needed). |
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Replying to: ceric (Jul 31, 2008 2:43 pm) In the Mazda, if you are on dry pavement and going straight, the system reads 100:0. If you enter a corner or are on optimum driving pavement (wet or slippery) then you are anywhere from 100:0 to 50:50. The power distribution is measured in torque, not total power or horsepower. |
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Jul 31, 2008 3:41 pm) This is from a speed6 driving event pamphlet. The AWD on the CX-7/9 is almost the same, but the mounting for the rear diff is much more secure, along with a cheaper setup that isn't as performance oriented (no limited slip) http://i33.tinypic.com/24q1k0p.jpg I can't find the link to where I found out it's 90/10 but it is. |
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Replying to: citivas (Jul 31, 2008 10:47 am) If I couldn't have iPod with Bluetooth, then I would just buy an AUX in cable and control the iPod myself. The click wheel makes that possible because it's simple, I can change songs without looking.
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Replying to: cx7lover (Aug 01, 2008 2:33 am) The Australian Mazda website seems to disagree.... "A new rear differential with greater torque capacity is employed by the system to deliver a high level of reliability. Increased torsional rigidity of the propeller shaft and rear differential mount improves the response of torque transfer to the rear wheels and delivers a more rigid feel to the ride under acceleration. And a limited slip differential is used in the rear differential optimizes transfer of torque to the left and right rear wheels, realizing solid traction and linear vehicle control that delivers a stable feeling ride when cornering."
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Replying to: cx7lover (Aug 01, 2008 2:43 am) |
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Sales figures of July/2008 Honda Pilot: 7486 Toyota Highlander: 6763 (including Hybrid) Mazda CX9: 1965 (others, competiting) GM Lambdas (triplet only): 11,600 (combined) Acura MDX: 3477 This may seem like CX9 is selling poorly, when in fact it holds steady compared with 2007. Both Pilot and Highlander were selling at nearly 13,000/month July last year. So, both dropped nearly 50% compared with last year's sales figures.
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Replying to: cx7lover (Aug 01, 2008 2:33 am) This is from a speed6 driving event pamphlet. I attended the Mazdaspeed6 driving event at Fort Worth TX in November 2005. What Mazda means by that is the rear diff is active, however, power is not being applyed to the rear wheels. The rear diff is active the rest of the time and power is applied as needed. There was an extensive Q & A session that related to Mazdas ATS AWD system. I have the Mazdaspeed6 drive event guide book too. There are still some out there that think Mazda's AWD system is a Haldex system. That, is not true either.
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