Last post on Jan 28, 2011 at 11:01 AM
You are in the Subaru Forester
What is this discussion about?
Subaru Forester, Wagon
#125 of 154 Re: July 4th [ateixeira]
Jan 13, 2011 (11:48 am)
Oh I thought it was you...now I'm curious who it was...it was someone tho that I read often on numerous similar threads we frequent.
I intend to drive one of those CVT's sometime soon I hope. I need good wx for a proper test drive. Plan on driving a few others too, but the Sube is the only AWD unless I go the SUV route which I already have (a std tranny CRV) (seat kills me)
I think tho that even if she was keen to trade, as I'm sure you realize, the depreciation would never be saved by the slight gas savings.
Not sure what you mean by Saabs having gone mainstream? Possibly the dealer interaction has gone mainstream in that dealing with GM is easily considered that way.
I see they have gone upscale even farther now, so for me, a new one is out of the question. They are big engined AWD's now.
Too bad, an AWD 9-3 or 9-5 with a turbo dsl would be just perfect for me.
I think I was meant to live in EU
#126 of 154 Re: July 4th [gimmestdtranny]
Jan 13, 2011 (11:54 am)
Not in terms of price...
I meant the character. They went to sedans instead of hatchbacks. And they were way too slow to launch AWD variants.
Saab went from being a quirky brand with turbo/manual hatchbacks to a premium GM Epsilon sedan.
#127 of 154 Re: July 4th [ateixeira]
Jan 13, 2011 (12:01 pm)
I didn't realize u had a Miata. Later I recalled that u had the Sienna.
Ya, the Saab in manual tranny is likely only a pipe dream now too. If GM was smart they would NOT mess with that nameplate. But I guess it's too late now..
On a dif thread...I feel your pain...and no it is not your imagination working overtime in case u were wondering. I have run into it also.. There are a few that go outta their way to be difficult.
#128 of 154 Re: July 4th [gimmestdtranny]
Jan 13, 2011 (12:35 pm)
Still have both.
1993 Miata, replaced by 2008 Miata PRHT.
Wife has a 2009 Forester, so that's also our snow car.
#129 of 154 Re: July 4th [ateixeira]
Jan 13, 2011 (12:48 pm)
PRHT? I guess pwr hardtop? Cool. Std tranny i hope.
IYO, what are the primary dif between the Forester, Outback, Legacy and Impreza? At the risk of over simplifying, they use all the same engine right? And the Forester and Outback likely have similar grd clearance. In terms of seats, which would have the roomiest, best seat? I think they are all similar...from 3 i sat in a few weeks ago, but they didn't have a Forester.
I noticed it is getting harder to find a manual even with Subaru now. (assuming you're not looking for the turbo) I actually would love to have the turbo, but not the high perf turbo. Still tho, i think even the lesser turbo still calls for 93 octane.
I read this whole thread and i was able to see what people are getting for FE in the real world. The biggest shock was the 800 lb trlr hauler.
The CVT will have to work a whole lot better with the paddle shift ability, than the CVT in the Murano and Altima i have driven. And I have read about excessive revving with CVT in hilly terrain. Sounds to me like that is defeating the purpose of engine rev matching to good torque range vs road speed.
Oh ya, also, I have read that many Subes seem to have not that cold A/C systems. Would you consider your wife's to be marginal? Hot fast heaters and cold A/C are among my top priorities in a car.
#130 of 154 Re: July 4th [gimmestdtranny]
Jan 13, 2011 (3:23 pm)
With regard to the Saab ownership, it may have been "Mr. Shiftright" that was the owner you recalled. He is a host and is very active on these forums.
With regard to the different models, the Impreza and Forester are based on the same (smaller) platform, while the Legacy and Outback share a larger platform. The Impreza has the least leg room, but it is still good. If you have rear-facing carseats in the back, it can feel a little cramped, but still not bad and certainly not worse than the Legacy/Outback of old (2009 and earlier). The new L/O are very roomy, more so (in terms of feel, I think - I don't know about the actual numbers) than the Forester.
Manuals are still available through about half of the lineup for Forester/Legacy/Outback, and are available on all Impreza models (exclusive on the WRX and STi). So, while they have restricted their availability to some extent, there is quite a bit of selection.
Fuel economy, my MT car (with 22,000 miles now) has averaged 23.9 lifetime, if I recall correctly. I have the spreadsheet at home so I am going off memory here. It is dragged down by the winter averages, which can be very low depending on how cold it is here in Fairbanks, Alaska. Some winter month averages are as low as 20 (give or take a few tenths). Summer averages are more like 27. Unfortunately, every time we take a long trip we either have a top carrier or trailer in tow... sometimes both! As a result, we have not had the opportunity to see what an unencumbered highway tank will yield. Ah, well... I guess that dream is not "real world," is it?
I towed a trailer that was probably about 1400# on a trip last summer, with the roof carrier and the car loaded. The car handled it very well, but it was an 1100 mile trip and I think it netted something like 17.8 mpg.
#131 of 154 Re: July 4th [xwesx]
Jan 13, 2011 (4:17 pm)
Hey, thanks for the pic! Really adds perspective cuz i can see the lack of aerodynamics of the trlr. And you can see the car is loaded and that's without the ankle-biter and dog loaded up, haha.
Plus ya gotta love a pic with the family pup in it...it adds that special level of realty. Looks like a real nice pup too.
Where was that white birch forest? There's so many, who'd think they were planted exclusively.
Is that an 09?
I know all about the affect of cold temps on AWD. I think our average lows up here are worse than yours there even. For Jan our average lows are 1 Feh and highs are a balmy 23. 11.2 as I type, but the past 10 days have been 5 to 15.
Have you considered swapping out the factory gear oil in your transfer case and fr and rr difs with 75W90? That is a 100% synthetic gear oil. Check with Subaru to ensure they approve. Not only does that lube the gears quicker due to easier and quicker flow in the cold, it helps fuel economy noticeable. I use a 5W20 (Honda requirement) 100% syn in the engine too. Cam lobes etc all get the slick stuff quicker that way.
Good to know about the 09 and newer more room. I didn't know the Forester and Impreza were based off the same platform, but the shorter WB and overall size of course does give that away. Have you always had Subarus?
I could get by with less grd clearance, so technically the Legacy, being lower to the grd likely has the edge in FE, but I need seats that are situp and beg style postitions, and i think the Forester is like that more than the Legacy. Just going by memory (and I was distracted cuz the salesman was right there and i couldn't concentrate...(i was wishing a customer would come so he could go and help them instead) but I think I sat lower in the Legacy even than the Impreza.
I really like full size minivan seating positions. I also like how easy it is to get in and out of minivans. I wish they weren't so hard on gas and offered AWD and that is what I'd prefer. Even tho they are top heavy in comparison to a Sube, I only race around when I'm on two wheels.
edit - in looking at those trees, they remind me of poplar too but our poplar are never that white..but your bark there and black spots have a poplar look when i look more closely.
#132 of 154 Re: July 4th [gimmestdtranny]
Jan 13, 2011 (6:46 pm)
Other than her occasional need to belligerently run off from time to time (I think it is the husky in her - she's a racing (Alaska) husky & yellow lab cross), she is a great pup. I can't believe she's ten years old now.
The trees are birch (Betula papyrifera), almost exclusively. There are some mature white and black spruce on that plot as well, but not so much in that particular frame. Poplar and aspen is also prevalent in the area, it just didn't get a foothold on the couple of acres I own.
My car is a 2010, purchased September 2009. I swapped out the factory oils with synthetic lube in the transmission and differentials, as well as engine, when I first brought it back to Fairbanks (purchased it in Seattle and drove it up). If it had the factory oils in it, I would likely lose another couple MPG during the winter! Still, if it is cold, the economy suffers. Last month was pretty nippy: The average temperature for the month was -17.8 F, with the maximum low -41F on 12/15 with ten days' lows at -30F or lower. So far this month, though, which tends to be colder, the average temp is 7.8 F. That said, the temp is dropping! This morning it was -23 F.
Our first Subaru was purchased ten-point-five years ago, and it was a 1996 Outback. We had it until 12/30/2006 and quickly replaced it with a 2007 Outback. That car was sold five months later after we found out we were having a second baby. We then purchased a 2008 Outback for a trip then sold it when we returned home (saved us some money versus flying and renting, and it was much more fun!). After that, we were Subaru-free for a couple years until our minivan bit the big one and my wife wanted another Subaru (which is the 2010 Forester).
You can get an AWD minivan, but only one if I recall correctly: The Sienna offers AWD on the LE and XLE models. Chrysler eliminated the AWD option in favor of Stow-N-Go seating after the 2004 model year. I completely agree with you about minivan seating position. My first vehicle, which I still have, was a 1969 Ford Econoline and I still love that thing. I have a soft spot for vans; I am a practical person, and vans are remarkably practical.
I don't know if the Legacy is lower than the Impreza, but the Impreza sits pretty low, much like other small cars in its class. It also does not have much storage space. I have not been in a new Legacy.
As far as racing goes... I only race around in the winter! I love winter driving, and I get to do it for six months a year here. The best part about it is that I can "race around" during the winter without even having to go fast (e.g., in excess of the speed limit in most cases).
#133 of 154 Re: July 4th [gimmestdtranny]
Jan 14, 2011 (8:03 am)
Yep, Power Retractable Hard Top.
The guy from CNET was funny, he tried to pronounce "PHRT" and made it sound like flatulence.
Manual of course! 6 speed, sport pack with limited-slip and Bilsteins.
OK, for me, at least:
* Impreza is a compact hatchback
* Forester is a roomy box, offering near mid-size space. Love the moonroof, tall cargo area, reclining rear seats, plus tons of ground clearance and best approach/departue angles (25 degrees for both). A/C is fine in my experience.
* Outback is a tad more upscale, more comfy, longer cargo space but not as tall and upright. Better transmission choices, but pricier.
#134 of 154 Re: July 4th [xwesx]
Jan 14, 2011 (8:06 am)
I don't know about the actual numbers) than the Forester.
It's been a while but I recall the Forester has a very slight edge over the Outback in total interior volume, but much of it is due to the tall roof.
Don't think of it that way, you had 3 axles. That's like getting 26.7 mpg on 2 axles. LOL