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Sunroof leak on my Saturn Outlook

51 messages,  Last post on Oct 17, 2009 at 4:00 PM

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#26 of 51
Re: So far... [stacey22] by Tobster1
Jun 04, 2009 (7:17 am)
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Replying to: stacey22 (May 05, 2009 11:26 am)

After negotiating with GM for more than 2 months and not getting anywhere we took them to arbitration and won! it has been ruled that they repurchase my car for contract price, taxes, fees, finance interest. They now have until next week to make due on this judgment (of course I am not holding my breath waiting for them to contact me as I am sure they will wait until the last possible minute while I add more and more miles onto my car). Good luck. Let me know how you are making out. My suggestion would be to NOT negotiate, they will not give in and make good. now what to do. . . . stay with the Outlook and get an 09 or 10 (which I LOVE) or move onto a honda or toyota . . . . . any suggestions out there???
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Re: So far... [Tobster1] by worriedowner2
Jun 07, 2009 (10:16 am)
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Replying to: Tobster1 (Jun 04, 2009 7:17 am)

I bought an 08 Outlook in February of 2008, Memorial day weekend water was coming in from every nook in my car, airbags, dome lights, everywhere, in my lemon law is only good for 12 mos or 12,000 mi, which I am over on both. They fixed what they said was a common problem but never got any recall notice on my sunroof. Took them a week and got it back now having more electrical problems. Noticed probs w/ my window passenger side window not rolling down, before they even got to the shop had some other electrical probs. I am worried my whole electrical system is going to go out and me and my 6 children will be in a dangerous situation. Any suggestions on what I can do?
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Re: So far... [worriedowner2] by shillelagh
Jun 07, 2009 (3:40 pm)
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Replying to: worriedowner2 (Jun 07, 2009 10:16 am)

The Lemon Law is good for 24 months after you take delivery of the vehicle. There is no limit on mileage during that period. The following is quoted right out of the Lemon Law Guide Book.
 
"You are entitled to a refund or replacement if the manufacturer cannot correct one or more defects or conditions covered by the warranty that substantially impair the use, value or safety of the vehcle within a reasonable number of attempts during the "Lemon Law rights period." (The first 24 months after the date of original delivery of a motor vehicle to a consumer.) The law presumes that you have had a "reasonable number of attempts" if there have been at least three attempts to repair the same defect and the defect continues to exist after a final attempt to repair, or the vehicle has been ou of service by reason of repair for a cumulative total of 30 calendar days and the manufacturer or authorized service agent has a at least one chance to inspect or repair the vehicle after receipt of a written notification"
 
PLEASE ! Keep a record of all repair work orders and dates, time and with whom you have spoken with regarding repairs to your Saturn. Be advised, there was no recall notice by Saturn regarding a sunroof leak. However, all Saturn dealers did receive a GM Technical Bullitin advising the dealer's technicians of the sunroof leak problem and how to correct it. The dealer WILL NOT advise you of the bullitin or problem until you take your vehicle into the dealership and a "repair work order is written up."
 
Any problem which arises from the leaking sunroof is considered by law "a defect" and can be counted toward the Lemon Law claim. Keep all records and DO NOT asssume anything that is not written because the GM representative will not consider anything that is not on a Work Order or is printed in text or precisely described in the vehicle's warranty. Believe Me, I've been there and they will try their best to make you to be very ignorant or the problem with the vehicle is all in your mind.
 
There should have been Consumer Guide to the Lemon Law issued with your vehicle. Do everything it says to do. Contact your Better Business Bureau to file a Lemon Law claim. Send GM a Motor Vehicle Defect Notification by registered mail (return receipt requsted). There may be a form in your booklet to fill out and send.
 
Anyway, your better business bureau has an Auto LIne regarding the lemon law and they will guide you through the arbitration process to either get you a replacement or total refund.
 
Keep us posted
Shillelagh
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Re: So far... [shillelagh] by steve_ HOST
Jun 07, 2009 (7:50 pm)
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Replying to: shillelagh (Jun 07, 2009 3:40 pm)

Lemon laws vary from state to state.
 
For example in Colorado, one of the worst lemon law states, their lemon law only applies for one year after purchase. Colorado AG's office
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Re: So far... [steve_] by worriedowner2
Jun 08, 2009 (6:58 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jun 07, 2009 7:50 pm)

yeah, I live in Illinois and I checked out our lemon law, it is 1 year or 12,000 miles whichever comes first.
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Re: So far... [worriedowner2] by rwren
Jun 09, 2009 (7:06 am)
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Replying to: worriedowner2 (Jun 08, 2009 6:58 am)

I purchased my 08 used and cannot fall back on the Lemon Law. A few weeks ago my wife had some water leak on her foot from under the dash on the passenger side. Last week it started to come out by the emergency brake. It has been raining on and off the last few weeks and I think that may be the culprit but I am not sure how it is getting in.
I took it to the dealer yesterday and they found evidence of water but are unsure where it is coming from. We do not have a sunroof and I am stumped on what I should do next. The dealer said they could continue to search but it would get very time consuming and expensive. They said it could be a number of things from an unsealed body panel to a faulty windshield seal (I took the hose to the windshield and didn't have any water come in). Any thoughts or recommendations on what can be done or what I should do?
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Re: So far... [worriedowner2] by worriedowner2
Jun 12, 2009 (3:06 pm)
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Replying to: worriedowner2 (Jun 07, 2009 10:16 am)

I was also wondering, has anyone thought of or had any problems of mold in their vehicle from this with it raining and heating up. Also anyone heard of maybe the vehicles rusting out early because of all the water buildup in the body?
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Re: So far... [rwren] by shillelagh
Jun 17, 2009 (11:07 am)
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Replying to: rwren (Jun 09, 2009 7:06 am)

This is a copy of a letter I received from Saturn. Print it and show it to your Dealer. The least he can say is no. At least you have a name to contact.
 
Dear Saturn Owner:
 
We have learned that your 2008 model year Saturn OUTLOOK, equipped with a sunroof, may have a condition in which water is not properly drained away from the sunroof. If this condition were to occur, water may enter the interior of the vehicle and dampen the carpet, upholstery, and other interior components.
 
Your satisfaction with your OUTLOOK is very important to us, so we are announcing a program to prevent this condition or, if it has occurred, to fix it.
 
What We Will Do: Your Saturn retailer will install drain tube extension assemblies and ensure that the water drains properly. This service will be performed for you at no charge until September 30,2009.
 
What You Should Do: To limit any possible inconvenience, we recommend that you contact your Saturn retailer as soon as possible to schedule an appointment for this repair. By scheduling an appointment, your retailer can ensure that the necessary parts will be available on your scheduled appointment date.
 
Customer Reply Form: The enclosed customer reply form identifies your vehicle. Presentation of this form to your retailer will assist in making the necessary correction in the shortest possible time. If you no longer own this vehicle, please let us know by completing the form and mailing it back to us.
 
If you have any questions or need any assistance to better understand related repairs, please contact your retailer.
 
Courtesy Transportation: If your vehicle is within the New Vehicle Limited Warranty your retailer may provide you with shuttle service or some other form of courtesy transportation while your vehicle is at the facility for this repair.
 
Please refer to your Owner's Manual and your retailer for details on courtesy
transportation.
 
We sincerely regret any inconvenience or concern that this situation may cause you. We want you to know that we will do our best, throughout your ownership experience, to ensure that your Saturn OUTLOOK provides you with many miles of enjoyable driving.
 
 j~ Scott Lawson
 
General Director,
Customer and Relationship Services
Enclosure
08207
#34 of 51
Re: So far... [rwren] by martine4
Jun 24, 2009 (11:18 am)
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Replying to: rwren (Jun 09, 2009 7:06 am)

What ever happened with your truck I have the same problem but it messed up my fuse block because it got wet and corroded the plug in terminals
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Re: So far... [martine4] by rwren
Jun 24, 2009 (5:23 pm)
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Replying to: martine4 (Jun 24, 2009 11:18 am)

I sent an email to the GM and service manager letting them know that this is my third saturn I have purchased from them and I don't have the money to waist trying to problem solve. He called and left me a message and asked that I bring it in and they would do what they could. I told him that I would try to have the windshield resealed first since that is a service they don't do at my dealership. I found a place that can use compressed air and some kind of foam to detect leaks. If I don't find anything I will bring it in to them and have them look at it. If you find a solution to the water leaking please respond to this thread.

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