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Sedans Lincoln MKS Article Comments - 2009 Lincoln MKS First Drive / Full Test
154 messages, Last post on Nov 17, 2008 at 2:21 PM
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First Drive: 2009 Lincoln MKS - First Impressions: The world's most completely equipped Taurus/Taurus X/Sable/Volvo/Flex, which turns out to be not such a bad thing. (more)
Full Test: 2009 Lincoln MKS AWD - Bottom Line: A luxury sedan for the Ford faithful, but all others would be advised to look elsewhere as there are far better luxury sedans for the price. (more)
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Replying to: bfarrell (Jun 11, 2008 8:29 am)
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Replying to: speculator (Jun 11, 2008 2:41 pm) Ave age for Lincoln = 58? U might be right, I actually think it's higher than that. The drivers I see in Lincolns, even the few Lincolns that ARE driver's cars (LS anyone?) are old enough to remember the great depression. Lincoln has been talking about lowering the ave age of their buyers, but their actions do nothing to support that. An updated LS might have gone a ways, I dunno. Has the CTS lowered Caddy's ave age? BTW, the CTS-V is apparently going to best the best of Europe, leaving AMG and M's in the dust according to nurbergring (sp?) track times. But I digress. I think the answer to your question is that mediocrity is not only accepted now, especially at Ford, but it is to be EXPECTED. Even the platform that this Lincoln "flagship" is built on is not good enough for it's designer, Volvo, anymore. They updated it and tossed it in the garbage in 2005 which is where Ford found it and designed thier front-heavy sofa-on-wheels around it. It's back to SOS-different day at Ford. ANd to think some people think Ford is the best of the Big 3 now and is given the best chance to survive. Personally, on my darker days, I've come to the conclusion that American cars are soon to be relics. THey cant survive the CAFE standards coming into vogue soon. They cant build the cars cheap enough to compete, what with the imbeciles at the UAW thinking the world owes them a living. And to prove they think that way, they just came out to support BH Obama for president. Talk about the chickens voting for Colonel Sanders.
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Replying to: jeyhoe (Jun 11, 2008 3:57 pm) |
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It's just amazing to read how opinionated people are about a car not a single person has driven. Edmunds itself starts the kicking. It's First Drive review struggles to find something bad to say about it, but the main thing they can come up with is that it's platform is related to that of the Ford Taurus. Really? I thought both came from the Volvo S80, a more expensive European luxury car. Name a luxury brand that doesn't used shared platforms. Is the Rolls Phantom just a fancied up, $400,000 BMW 7 series? The Acura RL just an Accord? All Infinities just Nissan Zs? Every other review, as well as the substance of the Edmunds review, is quite positive. MKS doesn't share a single body panel or interior piece with the Taurus and it doesn't look quite like any other car. Since a highly revised suspension was created, front and rear, for the car, Edmunds insists on claiming it was lifted from the Flex. It is equally accurate to say the Flex borrowed it from the MKS. The fact is, as stated by Lincoln engineers on another website, that the suspension change was required when problems were found in the MKS's development due to the higher torque engine, which doesn't come on the Flex. This car appears to be as good as it gets for the price. If some luxury cars that cost $20k to $40k more offer any practical benefits or functional improvements over the MKS, please tell me what they are. I can see the benefit of the MKS's larger, quieter interior, superior navigation system, voice control, front/rear sunroof and better fuel mileage, but I can't quite see what advantage the more expensive luxo cars have over it. Only the hard-riding hot rod versions of other brands spent time on the Nurburgring, which is irrelevant in any case. People don't race luxury cars. Please don't make me laugh by suggesting the competition is more trouble free, with the possible exception of the Lexus models. And don't complain about lack of power. The base engines in the BMW 5 series and Cadillac CTS, for example, are less powerful than the MKS, yet nobody whines about them. At least give this car a fair hearing and leave your anti-Ford biases behind. I have owned every one of the most popular luxury cars and find this one at least as interesting as the competition. I have never owned or considered a Town Car.
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Replying to: med5 (Jun 12, 2008 11:45 pm) If this vehicle were a flag ship none of the mechanicle modification would be possible on its lower price cousin. In Europe, Volvo is not considered to be a premium mark. Volvo was never considered to be a premium vehicle in the USA until Ford marketeers said it is. In the 70's and 80's the price of the car was on par with that of Buick. On the Infiniti fwd vehicles, the tendency for torque steer was dealt with.If these Infinities are on par with the lower price Nissan offerings ,give me the Nissan anytime over the MKS. I have driven the MKS. If driven hard and making abrupt Lane changes as if trying to steer out o f an accident the tendency for torque steer is evident when having to steer back into the lane to avoid oncoming traffic. The steering of the. vehicle won't center itself under acelleration while at the same time using the handling property of the vehicle .The driver has to really assist the steering for the vehicle to center tself. Normally, if one makes a sudden manuvere with a car the steering should return to center when the driver takes his hands of the wheel.The vehicle shouldn't keep turning. But that is a problem of most fwd vehicles.
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Replying to: speculator (Jun 13, 2008 5:23 am)
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Replying to: speculator (Jun 13, 2008 5:23 am) Same with Mercedes - big deal. The S-80 IS a luxury car, I had one, and though not particularly dependable, it was damn nice and in its own way, nicer than the Lexus I own now. I'm driving an LS 430 now, and seriously considering this Lincoln - so evidently SOME people are cross shopping it with other true Luxury Marks. I am the first to admit Lincoln has lost its way, and been cheapened horribly, but this car smells like a comeback to me. I'm going to check it out. 
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Replying to: displacedtexan (Jun 15, 2008 2:45 pm)
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Replying to: nvbanker (Jun 16, 2008 10:33 am) |
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Yes, I actually had a chance to drive this new Lincoln last thursday. Put about 20 miles on a factory supplied vehicle. For the price point of under $50k fully (fully)loaded this vehicle is a winner. Driving dynamics impeccable, acceleration very acceptable and smooth (it is not a sports sedan), trans allows standard auto ... sport mode auto ... and manual shifts, quiet to the max, good vision, great seating both in terms of positioning and comfort, very nice interior, hugh back seat that is heated standard, enough technology to almost be overkill, only negative is an abysmally small trunk opening with a high lift over although the trunk itself is huge. The vehicle is extremly handsome in person and is not a clone of every other lux model on the market ... you will know it is a Lincoln. All in all a great effort by the Lincoln team that should do well if those who feel they must own a $70k import can get over the undeserved Lincoln image.
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