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It's one thing
by speculator
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Jun 10, 2008 (7:00 am)
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It's one thing for Lincoln to share platforms with its entry level to mid price vehicles,but it's an abomination to do so on its flagship.
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Re: It's one thing [speculator]
by cowbell
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Jun 10, 2008 (7:42 am)
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Replying to: speculator (Jun 10, 2008 7:00 am)
What if they got it from the highest priced sedan of one of it's European subsidiaries?
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Re: It's one thing [cowbell]
by speculator
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Jun 10, 2008 (12:06 pm)
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Replying to: cowbell (Jun 10, 2008 7:42 am)
If it were a similiar platform as Jaguar or Aston Martin. Impossible now since both have been sold.So Lincoln should engineer a Mercedes or BMW competitor. Isn't Lincoln, Ford's premier brand since Jag and Aston are gone. Volvo was not and still is not considered to be amongst Europe's premier marks. I believe there are rumors that Volvo is on the sales block. BMW is interested in Volvo as it needs the mid price family type vehicles that Volvo offers.
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Re: It's one thing [speculator]
by bfarrell
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Jun 10, 2008 (12:35 pm)
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Replying to: speculator (Jun 10, 2008 12:06 pm)
I still don't understand the objection to the MKS being built on a Volvo chassis. By all accounts it is a great chassis. I also don't think that just because a vehicle, suit, T.V. , house, etc. carries an outrageous price tag (Aston Matitn ... Jag... B.M.W. etc) it is a priori a better item. Perhaps if Lincoln had price pointed this vehicle  $70k it would be more appealing?? Why would anyone pay $3000 for an Armani suit????? Perception may be reality but in this case the perception is dead wrong. Lincoln has taken an excellent chassis and built a handsome, well equipped, spacious, safe, fairly priced vehicle why is that so hard to take?
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Re: It's one thing [bfarrell]
by speculator
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Jun 10, 2008 (1:51 pm)
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Replying to: bfarrell (Jun 10, 2008 12:35 pm)
Audi uses a fwd platform for some of its mid price vehicles and Audi has found a way to engineer out the tendancy for torque steer. The MKS still has that phenomenon to deal with. Another thing the MKS is not rwd sport sedan. The Cadillac CTS base is several thousand dollar cheaper than an MKS but has a direct injection 306 hp engine available and it will also out handle the MKS and out accelerate it and it is also vailable with awd.The MKS is suppose to be Lincoln's flagship.But all it is is a Taurus knock-off with more doodas and a better interior than a Taurus. The interior still is not comparable to Mercedes or BMW standards The car has nothing mechanically to separate it from its cheaper Ford cousin.I am not saying that it is a bad car.I just don't believe that it should be Lincoln's signature vehicle.
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Re: It's one thing [speculator]
by bfarrell
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Jun 10, 2008 (3:02 pm)
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Replying to: speculator (Jun 10, 2008 1:51 pm)
If, after actually driving an MKS (I know you have not done so), you can not differentiate drivability between an MKS and a Taurus you have no business posting here period. Further, MKS is not supposed to be a CTS (thank God) Lincoln already has the MKZ to compete with the baby Caddy. MKS is also not supposed to be a BMW 5 or a Infinity M or a Jag etc. I will say it again not every motorist wants a go fast boy racer as their vehicle of choice. There is a market for a 500hp RWD sports sedan but there is also a market for a spacious, well behaved, safe, handsome, well equipped, American, luxury automobile that doesn't cost $60k. Mechanical differences between MKS and Taurus abound from the bigger engine to the suspension to the braking etc. If the "common wisdom" you are promulgating as gospel says that MKS is simply a Taurus knock off given the propensity for the "common wisdom" to be dead wrong then this vehicle will do very well.
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Re: It's one thing [bfarrell]
by speculator
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Jun 10, 2008 (8:41 pm)
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Replying to: bfarrell (Jun 10, 2008 3:02 pm)
I Have an interest in a Ford and a Lincoln-Mercury dealership in Chicago. Please elaborate on the difference in nomenclature of the Taurus and MKS chassis. Again the vehicle does suffer from torque steer. The same as the Taurus. If one has to rely on steering the vehicle out of harms way one will notice the inherit deficiency in steering that comes into play with a fwd platform that isn't noticeable in a rwd platform. Audi has handled that problem more than ten years ago and Nissan has done the same with its front wheel drive Infinities. Since this is Lincoln's flagship shouldn't that problem have been dealt with in the vehicles base fwd ? This vehicle is to be a premium vehicle but it still steers as it lower price cousin. Didn't Ford position this car as a Cadillac STS fighter? Is it ? Will it out handle an STS? Will it out accelerate an STS? Will this car play well in Europe? Is the MKS a world class sedan? Also ,the MKS was originally to be a rwd vehicle. but Ford thought that it would be too expensive to produce it as such as it would need its own line. Thus, the platform sharing with the Taurus. Ford has canceled the rwd Interceptor because the cost was too prohibitive to engineer the weight out of a rwd platform to have the vehicle meet CAFE standards. The only rwd vehicle will be the Mustang. Ford is not sure if the next gen Mustang will have an irs. Dealers are trying to convince Ford to produce it with irs to compete with the Dodge and Chevy competitors. Since Ford likes to base its Lincolns on its Ford cousins,its safe to assume that there will not be a modern rwd Cadillac,not to say a Bmw or Mercedes fighter. Ford could use forged aluminum to decrease weight as GM is doing with its premium rwd platforms. But Ford is as Ford does.
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Only a fool would buy this!
by johnzocco
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Jun 10, 2008 (9:07 pm)
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There are far better luxury sedans to buy for almost $50000. Offers from BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Infiniti, Cadillac, Lexus and Acura come to mind. No one is going to shell out $46000 for a Lincoln MKS, which is basically a beautified Ford Taurus. People who have that type of money to spend on a luxury sedan will not even consider the MKS. Trust me, once you approach the over $40000 price for this type of car, no one will think American, except for Cadillac.
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Damn the torpedoes
by speculator
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Jun 10, 2008 (9:42 pm)
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The MKS is a decent car and it will be suitable for those who drive Towncars. The problem is that the average Towncar driver is about 58 years old. If the MKS was built as originally planed as a rwd sport sedan,the average of the Lincoln buyers age would probably have decreased to the early to Mid 50's. But Lincoln still has a chance to gain glory. Build a street version of the MKR with a world class sport rwd suspension and powertrain. If Lincoln is to survive,it has to have a vehicle that will draw the more affluent young people to consider it who otherwise would only consider a BMW or Mercedes sport sedan. Otherwise, how many 70 year olds can Lincoln depend on to keep it in business.
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Re: It's one thing [speculator]
by bfarrell
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Jun 11, 2008 (6:20 am)
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Replying to: speculator (Jun 10, 2008 8:41 pm)
speculator... I guess we should just agree to disagree. I would make one final point. Compare apples to apples!!!! The comparable sized AUDI stickers at over $70k ... for $25k more than a nicely equipped MKS one would assume it should be more vehicle even though it is a V.W. knock off. What can one possibly get for $25k more other than an ego boost? In fact most of the comparable sized 'luxury" offerings everyone is using to compare sticker for tens of thousands more dollars. Lincoln will do just fine with this vehicle and it is not just a Taurus knock off as you should know.
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