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#262 of 287 Re: Toyota Corolla Paint Problems [mcdawgg]
Oct 21, 2012 (8:01 pm)
It is my experience and observations that I trust most. Recently I stop at different dealerships because I am really thinking of trading in my Toyota for another make. What I can see is many 2010 and 2011 Toyota Corollas that have already been traded in for other makes. Out of curiosity, I look at these cars and what I notice is tons of more chips and scratches than on mine! Today as I washed mine and while vacuum cleaning it next to me there was another Corolla 2011, but white. I was scared how the white looks like with all the scratches and chips that leave black marks. Mine looks much better but this does not make me happy with Toyota. At the detail shop which I use for waxing the car they say mine looks as if just purchased but I still know of all the imperfections on the car (bubbles, dust trapped in the paint, etc.)!
Obviously, it depends on what your idea of quality is. You admit that your has chips, correct? Why will you get chips since the quality is so high? I am not jealous of your cars. I am happy about you. Just I know for myself that Toyota does not meet my quality expectations. My idea of quality is different. For me 1-2-3 year old car should not have chips.
About the European market, which you can verify yourself, Ford is second in sales. Since Ford can please the picky Europeans with the "out-appearance" and reliability of their cars, obviously will be able to please my taste as well and will be my next choice!
#263 of 287 Re: Toyota Corolla Paint Problems [zlatina]
Oct 22, 2012 (3:52 am)
Hope you have better luck with your Ford's paint.
#264 of 287 Re: Toyota Corolla Paint Problems [zlatina]
Oct 22, 2012 (4:27 am)
Yes, you got that one right - there are a few stone chips, but no more than any other car I have had. We also live close to a quarry - lots of stones flying up from tires. EVERY car is going to get some stone chips from this. They all have to use the newer, water-based paint that is more environmentally friendly.
I try to by the highest quality car possible - that's why I use MANY sources of data, not just my own observations, which of course are much more limited than using CR, True Delta, JD Power, etc. etc.
Good luck with Ford - they have some positives, but also some negatives. I won't discuss the brand new (400 miles) Ford Focus I had recently on a business trip. Looked nice, but.... At first I thought the transmission may have been an anomaly, since my own experience is too limited. Except I looked at some other sources of data about the same car - my complaints were pretty common. But they are good, and getting better, hope yours is good.
What I don't like about European brands is the lower reliability. They are lower than most brands, per many sources. But they have their advantages.
I'll just leave it at that. Ford in Europe #2 in sales. Great. Toyota worldwide I think is #2, GM #1 in sales. Sales is a good indicator, but not the only one I look at.
#265 of 287 Re: Toyota Corolla Paint Problems [kirstie_h]
Nov 07, 2012 (2:06 pm)
Well, we need somewhere to discuss our feelings, however, i do not think anybody is trying to do anything but get some help, and that is why I am here. I have a 2003 bought new (one owner). and I have that dark blue, and same thing as all you others are having paint fading , rusting, cracking, and I take EXCELLENT CARE of my vehicle, in my family we have owned 12 NEW TOYOTAS, AND NEVER EVER did this ever happen, this is totally wrong, and I waxed it approx. 4 times a year cause I live in Florida and it gets hot. I have had 3 new toyotas myself, and this has never happened. And I understand the embarrassment of driving somewhere and people look at you like you are trailer trash, so I do get it, this should NEVER HAPPEN. So if anybody hears anything about a recall , please e-mail me at tunawitch40aol.com, thank you very much, and good luck to u all.
#266 of 287 Re: Toyota Corolla Paint Problems [tunawitch40]
Nov 07, 2012 (2:30 pm)
Don't really think it's appropriate to label someone as trash because of where they choose to reside.
Anyway, waxing a clear coated car four times a year sounds like overkill to me. Perhaps your using something too harsh that might be removing the clear coat. There are cheaper polishing compounds out there that if they over used they will damage the paint.
#267 of 287 Re: Toyota Corolla Paint Problems [terceltom]
Nov 07, 2012 (3:48 pm)
Whether or not you think it's appropriate, they may still look at her that way. I came from that background and I know exactly what she means.
Do you assume she only waxed THIS Toyota in that manner? If she waxed the others in the same manner, then this particular one shouldn't be acting any differently.
On a side note, I have made acquaintances with someone who works with Toyota and he saw my car and agreed it's unacceptable. He will be seeing me this week at the dealership to see if they can do more for me. FINALLY. Wish me luck, everyone. I will post the results.
#268 of 287 Re: Toyota Corolla Paint Problems [crystalpistol]
Nov 07, 2012 (4:18 pm)
I'm sorry but a comment like that is personal for me; my 94 year old father who worked hard for 45 years lives in a trailor and he is by far "not trash".
What I do assume is that if it is a 2003 Toyota and she waxed it 37 times with a harsh product that she might not have used before, she could have removed some of the finish.
#269 of 287 Re: Toyota Corolla Paint Problems [tunawitch40]
Nov 13, 2012 (9:22 pm)
General comments (see 'Paint' below)
I am one of the first ones to defend a good product, but by the same token, I won't turn a blind eye when I think quality has slipped.
I have owned Toyotas for thirty years, including four Corollas (1984, 1997, 2004, and 2009 [I also owned a 1978 Celica hatchback from 1982 - 2008]) and I have generally been a satisfied customer. In my humble opinion, the 2009 seems to have a slightly 'cheaper' feel overall compared to my 2004. Mostly small things like too much cheap-looking plastic in the interior, floating foam blocks in the front fenders (visible from the driver's seat with the door open), wheel wells without gravel shields, and even the fuel door is so light it feels cheap (lighter materials = better gas mileage?). I mainly bought the 2009 b/c of my past (good) experience with Toyotas and the excellent fuel economy. No mechanical problems to date other than a 'false' check engine code (cylinder #3), although i've read that water pumps in the 2009 may be prone to failure.
The in-service date for the 2009 is Nov 2008 an I bought it ('certified') in Nov 2010. It has blue streak metallic paint and looked great when I bought it as the dealer's 'make-ready' department did an excellent prep job. Once the dealer's wax (or whatever they used) wore off, I saw what I thought was an excessive number of nicks in the nose piece, but I assumed that the previous owner dove on roads with loose gravel.
The car has primarily been garage kept over the last two years (not sure about the first 2 years), although it does see some sun. While waxing the car last weekend, I saw a lot of small, mostly roundish areas of cracked paint (liked dried, cracked mud) on the trunk lid where I can see down to the primer. Other areas of the roof are also starting to 'crack', with some areas the size of a quarter. The paint on the top surfaces (hood, roof, and trunk lid) seem to have thinner paint than the sides, which are fine far. You would think that a chemical was spilled on the surface, but I know that is not the case. Seeing many other similar posts confirms my suspicion that it's just a low quality paint job.
Again, it's just one man's opinion - sorry for the long winded post, it's my first one, but I was compelled to finally respond after reading other posts where Toyota defenders suggest that this is normal paint wear.
#270 of 287 Re: Toyota Corolla Paint Problems [barryw4]
Nov 14, 2012 (4:51 am)
All I can say is the EPA has forced ALL automakers to use different paint on newer cars, so it is hard to compare your older vs. the 2009. If we went back to lead-based paint, it would last and look good forever, but that has it's own worse problems. I don't see any complaints about rust, etc. so that's good. Check Toyotanation.com
#271 of 287 Re: Toyota Corolla Paint Problems [mcdawgg]
Nov 14, 2012 (7:13 am)
No rust yet, but that will probably come later. The car is in excellent shape inside and out and has under 30,000 miles (I drive it about 6K/yr) and I thought I had a car to last another 20 years (I keep most cars until they drop - I also have a '92 Maxima), but I just can't live with bad paint (a pet peeve) so I will sell it to my son and move on. If he keeps it I'll probably end up having to pay for a partial paint job in 4-5 years anyway - can't win.
I'll visit the dealer's 'make ready' shop to see what products they recommend to retard the deterioration, but that's just a stop-gap measure.
I checked out Toyotanation - thanks.