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Hybrid Vehicles HHO kits - Do they really work? 
538 messages, Last post on Apr 08, 2009 at 12:07 AM
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Replying to: vcheng (Mar 19, 2009 7:18 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Mar 19, 2009 7:34 am) Fortunately for the HHO believers, there's ZERO chance of KABOOM happening... actually there's no chance of anything happening other than a lightening of their wallets. 
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Replying to: vcheng (Mar 19, 2009 7:18 am) .. ... I am not completely familiar will all the operating procedures of ADI. My main knowledge is about the Curtiss-Wright R-3350. Two rows of nine cylinders, two speed centrifugal supercharger, and like the new Detroit Diesel, turbo-compounding (not turbo supercharging), with an incredible 3,000 horsepower (for the 1950's). This engine was considered by many to be the epitome of large piston engines when development was slowed by the jet-age. The ADI would be used with high speed supercharging and ADI for take-off. If there was an emergency at 5,000 foot and maybe they needed to be at 10,000 foot it's might be possible to go at this power for a short time; however if they were at twenty thousand foot and needed to gain another five thousand foot ADI might not be needed, as the boost possibility is hindered by the thin air at these altitudes. Also I don't know the exact density altitude specs that are in the operating parameters for the use of the high speed gearing, for the supercharger,  various take-off conditions. It is my comprehension that ADI (in any application) is not used for continuous high altitude flight. Oh darn-it, there's always an exception. Maybe at the Reno air races, but these are conducted at less than ten thousand foot.
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Replying to: pf_flyer (Mar 07, 2009 6:49 am) 15% of people can never change there opinion no matter what. 70% can be influenced either way. 15% are staunch believers. Personally I could care less what you ramble about, I know for a fact that hho works in internal combustion engines. So to argue with you would be senseless. To prove to you that it works, would not be on the top of my to do list for sure! |
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Replying to: clecker (Mar 23, 2009 9:14 am) That makes sense. Thank you for making it clear. 
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Replying to: clecker (Mar 23, 2009 9:14 am) To prove to you that it works, would not be on the top of my to do list for sure!" Great - so we will trust you, no proof required. Gotta love it  
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Replying to: clecker (Mar 23, 2009 9:14 am) The HHO device being marketed and/or installed on your vehicle is scientifically impossible and we've shown why with the math + chemistry---and the "believers" just brushed it aside, as if mathematics and chemistry don't matter at all. But they do matter--they are how we separate fact from fiction in the modern world, and how human progress occurs. If you gave someone $80 bucks for your HHO device, demand your money back---you've been robbed. |
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Replying to: clecker (Mar 23, 2009 9:14 am) Posting statistics about "believers" in no way validates any point. Many times, there are things that 0% of the people should believe in. Do you believe that inflatable camouflage pants with customizable ringtones are the best product for military personnel? Do you think that 70% of people can be influenced either way on this issue? Do you believe that 15% are staunch believers? The 15 70 15 "theory" isn't so much a theory as a trite saying to convince people in the first 15% that they are wrong simply because they're in the minority. It is used to convince people that they should be more convinceable. |
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Think of hho as an accelerant more than a fuel. Gasoline is a hydrocarbon fuel consisting of of numerous carbon and hydrogen elements. Example Hexane C6 H14 = fast burn Dodecane C12 H26 = slower burn The higher the carbon content the slower the burn. Hydrogen molecules love carbon molecules so when you introduce more hydrogen molecules into a vaporized gasoline mixture it creates different elements (gas) that burns faster. To utilize this new gas in an internal combustion engine timing is crucial this all happens in milliseconds and it doesn't take many many hydrogen molecules to change the molecular structure of gasoline. Todays engines the piston outruns the flame the reason for that is the fuel burns to slow. So with smaller amounts of carbon molecules in the elements during combustion the faster the burn which equals better efficency. So you can retard your timing because it is a faster burning fuel which in turn means the piston is not outrunning the flame. That is why it is more of an accelerant than a fuel!
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Replying to: clecker (Mar 24, 2009 10:22 am) Furthermore hydrogen is 2700 less energy dense than gasoline....the piddling few hydrogen molecules you generate from a bottle of water could barely light a match much less fuel an engine. Here's a detailed description, with highly accurate testing, as to why HHO devices are a total scam: http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/how_to/4276846.html?series=19
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