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Hybrid Vehicles HHO kits - Do they really work? 
538 messages, Last post on Apr 08, 2009 at 12:07 AM
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Replying to: bunnell (Mar 06, 2009 8:43 pm)
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Replying to: texases (Mar 06, 2009 9:09 pm) |
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Rather than show us what you keep saying you have DONE, you keep falling back on things like, "electrolysis of water is mentioned with positive results". Never mind that the document isn't a report on whether HHO works. Hey, here's a whole new pile of "sources" for you. I bet it says in every chemistry book that there's hydrogen in water and it can be cracked out of the water using electricity. WOW... PROOF FROM DISTINGUISHED PROFESSORS THAT HHO WORKS. That's EXACTLY the logic you're using here. Given the choice, you decided that this was the better way to respond than to start to show us more about the car you say you have that gets 80mpg. Funny choice to not back up what you say with results instead of obfuscation. I did what you said bunnell. I tried to build something to see if it would work for myself. What I tried to build was a case that HHO might somehow work. I wasn't armed with vague, tangential sources that really have nothing to do with anything. I was armed with someone who said they ACTUALLY did it, that had a car they said has been getting 80mpg for 7 months. But instead of being able to build my case, it fell apart because aside from the claim of 80mpg, I wasn't able to find any more proof. I TRIED to get more hard facts, asked repeatedly in fact. But none were forthcoming. The ONLY conclusion is that HHO is scam. I'd say I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but you'd probably only tell me that your bubble can't burst and that there's half a sentence on page 27 of an FAA report on hot air ballooing that would be interesting to read if I want to know why. |
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Replying to: bunnell (Mar 06, 2009 8:43 pm) That's why HHO generators don't "work". They do produce hydrogen, but a) not enough to set a gnat on fire, and b) it costs you more to run the alternator than the "energy" you put back into the engine. What's not clear about this for you? |
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Mar 07, 2009 2:11 pm) I think the water was meant to cool the intake air from the supercharger to the engine. Liquid to air direct injection intercooling does provide a substantial power increase in boosted (turbo,supercharger) engines. Maybe the hho gas helps improve the combustion chamber mixture of gas and air and slow the combustion process effectively increasing the octane rating of the mixture prior to combustion. I mean there is a little water evident in ethyl alcohol fuels and they burn cool and have a better octane rating,.only less energy density than gas. Maybe HHO and gasoline mix is the best of both worlds.
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Water injection into aircraft engines has absolutely nothing to do with HHO. I love it how there's always some vague comparison that proves absolutely nothing as a reason that HHO MIGHT work. HHO simply cannot work. |
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Replying to: poopypants (Mar 18, 2009 6:29 pm) Yes, water injection works, but it's messy and tricky to regulate....now we use much more efficient intercoolers for turbocharged engines. I think you were referring to B29 engines----and they caught fire A LOT. |
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Replying to: poopypants (Mar 18, 2009 6:29 pm)
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Replying to: roland3 (Mar 19, 2009 5:04 am) Yes you're right, it was done to stay out of the detonation zone. I think the last set of entrepreneurs they sent to prison in the 1940s were touting some non-workable water injection system right after WWII, when both cars and gasoline were expensive. |
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More on water injection can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_injection_(engines) (excerpt) In internal combustion engines, water injection, also known as anti-detonant injection, is a method for cooling the combustion chambers of engines by adding water to the cylinder or incoming fuel-air mixture, allowing for greater compression ratios and largely eliminating the problem of engine knocking (detonation). This effectively increases the octane rating of the fuel, meaning that performance gains can be obtained when used in conjunction with a supercharger or turbocharger, altered spark ignition timing, and other modifications.
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