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HHO kits - Do they really work? - READ ONLY

538 messages,  Last post on Apr 08, 2009 at 12:07 AM

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Re: OK.. follow ups [bunnell] by vcheng
Mar 06, 2009 (8:34 am)

Replying to: bunnell (Mar 06, 2009 8:32 am)

Like I agreed with you before, it is a good idea. JUST PLEASE STOP IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT IS HOLY AS WELL AS SCIENCE!
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Re: hho works [Mr_Shiftright] by bunnell
Mar 06, 2009 (9:57 am)

Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Mar 06, 2009 8:33 am)

Put your mechanic in the car with me.
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Re: hho works [bunnell] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Mar 06, 2009 (9:59 am)

Replying to: bunnell (Mar 06, 2009 9:57 am)

Waste of time. It's been tested with extreme professionalism and it doesn't work and the chemistry and math have been demonstrated to you exhaustively.
 
End of story. Sorry.
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hho works by bunnell
Mar 06, 2009 (10:22 am)
Ok. You HAD the chance to be in on something, or to publicly ridicule me. Too late now. I will allow the tv station that I choose to pick their choice of representative.
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Re: hho works [bunnell] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Mar 06, 2009 (10:27 am)

Replying to: bunnell (Mar 06, 2009 10:22 am)

Ah, poor me.
 
Well keep in touch and if you ever do find a credible test of an HHO device, please post it.
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Re: hho works [Mr_Shiftright] by roland3
Mar 06, 2009 (2:09 pm)

Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Mar 06, 2009 10:27 am)

... One reason I have been suspicious of these devices, and it's kind of funny, if these electrolysis containers put out so much hydrogen and oxygen, we would have seen many an underhood explosions by now, and we already would have gov regs and inspections.
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Re: hho works [roland3] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Mar 06, 2009 (2:56 pm)

Replying to: roland3 (Mar 06, 2009 2:09 pm)

I doubt there's enough hydrogen produced to do more than light a match or two.
 
You remember that video of the lawn mower running? Did you see the enormous size of the electrolysis unit powering it? No way that thing is going to fit under a hood.
 
 And did you notice how the mower was barely idling, even though it was a tiny 1- cylinder engine?
 
That tells you everything you need to know about the impossibility of running an automobile engine with these underhood HHO devices.
 
So really the video only proves the point of the detractors by visually testifying as to how much hydrogen you'd need to run a car engine, and the size/capacity of the electrolysis unit.
 
Obviously, it would take way more energy to power a big electrolysis unit than could possibly be generated back by hydrogen.
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Re: hho works [qbrozen] by bunnell
Mar 06, 2009 (4:47 pm)

Replying to: qbrozen (Mar 04, 2009 5:04 am)

Go check out the D.O.T. report, guidlines for use of hydrogen fuel in commercial vehicles . lenghty read but it addresses the hho cells a few times and recognizes reduction of fuel usage and pollution when using it. I am told not to give snippets, so you get to resd the whole thing, just like I did. You said you wanted proof. Is a dept of the govt enough?
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Re: hho works [bunnell] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Mar 06, 2009 (6:43 pm)

Replying to: bunnell (Mar 06, 2009 4:47 pm)

Oh man do we have to go over this again?
 
Okay, now pay attention this time.....
 
Okay----the DOT is talking about HYDROGEN FUEL CELLS.
 
(repeat----hydrogen fuel cells)
 
This system uses compressed or liquid hydrogen (not water, okay? Uncombined hydrogen and oxygen) that is fed into the fuel cell and combined. This is exactly the opposite of your mayonnaise jars.
 
These juel cells are also STACKED (there are many of them since you need a lot of power to run a car).
 
The fuel cells in turn produce ELECTRICITY to drive a motor.
 
This system is about 100 light years ahead of simple primitive electrolysis, which attempt to break out a feeble amount of hydrogen from its chemical bonding with water.
 
You sound like you may need to go back to revisit science class, because you appear to be all mixed up here in your understanding of technology.
 
Once again---in a fuel cell, electricity is PRODUCED to drive an electric motor
 
Here---here's a helpful paragraph that you may wish to memorize:
 
"Fuel cells that use hydrogen can be thought of as devices that do the reverse of the well known experiment where passing an electric current through water splits it up into hydrogen and oxygen. In the fuel cell hydrogen and oxygen are joined together to produce water and electricty. "
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Re: hho works [Mr_Shiftright] by bunnell
Mar 06, 2009 (8:43 pm)

Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Mar 06, 2009 6:43 pm)

It is painfully obvious that you read only what you want to read, because whether you like it or not, electroysis of water is mentioned with positive results in the report. I do seem to remember you saying you want it to work. I guess you do not want the proof. because it would not agree with your way of thinking. Gee, I am sorry to have found that the D.O.T. actually added that in their report. You wont believe it anyway. You will find something wrong

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