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Hybrid Vehicles HHO kits - Do they really work? 
538 messages, Last post on Apr 08, 2009 at 12:07 AM
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Replying to: bunnell (Mar 06, 2009 6:13 am) As far as the demonstration itself, what do you plan to do? For the demo to carry weight it would have to involve the following: The car would have to be inspected by someone not of your choosing to verify that there's no funny business going on. And frankly, I think this would have to include an inspection of the inside of your "cell" since you made a point of saying nobody is going open it. Basically the number one thing that needs to be verified is that the car is running on the fuel contained in the gas tank. There should be no problem allowing someone else to drive the vehicle. The "test" has to be more than a spin around the block and some measurement of a small amount of fuel used. This is where that "can't open the cell" thing comes into play. Hypothetically, if we measure the exact amount of fuel in the tank take a 10 mile spin and come back and remeasure what's in the tank and find that we used 0.125 gallons of fuel, that doesn't mean the car got 80 mpg until I KNOW that the cell I wasn't allowed to look into didn't contain 1/4 gallon of gas that was also used up. Again, I'm not accusing you of doing this, but if I wanted to set up a fraudulent demo like that, it would take a car that's actually getting 35mpg and make it appear that it got 80mpg. That's the problem with a limited test. The further the test goes, the less good the results would look. A more valid test would be to let the TV crew have the car, verify that everything is on the up and up, fill the car up, and let them drive it until at least half, but preferably almost all of the tank is gone, refill and calculate the mileage. And repeating the test would be even better. Also, if the "device" can be switched on and off, a before and after demo should result in RADICALLY different results if what you claim is true. There also can be no excuses why the demo didn't work. You've told us now that this HAS worked for 7 months, so there's no reason it should stop working just because someone wants to actually verify your results, right??
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Replying to: pf_flyer (Mar 06, 2009 7:14 am) 1. The results will be fabricated and/or observers fooled by trickery. (secret fuel tanks, corrupted mathematics). 2. The test will fail but excuses will be given 3. No scientific testing will occur, no scientific standards will be implemented and the results will pop out of nowhere. 4. Someone will actually get 80 mpg, and the test, having defied all the laws of science, will be declared a miracle and the sick will be brought there to be healed.
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Replying to: roland3 (Mar 06, 2009 6:02 am) It's my opinion that NO hydrogen, even the piddling amounts generated by this primitive electrolysis, will even REACH the engine. It will just sit in the tube and eventually leak out through the hose. this is why, by the way, you will get NO increase or decrease in engine idle when you flip the switch for the electrolysis device. Answer THAT if you can please. Why don't you get an increase in idle speed? Why, when flipping the switch on at 60 mph, you don't jump to 84 MPH, which would be a 40% increase in power.
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Mar 06, 2009 7:53 am) |
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I told you that you can bring your own people with you to check things out. You can check for any hidden fuel tanks,or whatever as long as the car panels and seats, or whaterver is put backlike it was, and watch when the cell is emptied and re filled, but the internals of the cell will not be shown. Since it only holds a gallon of water, and that can be tested before filling and at changing, You can also test what we pour out when changing the water. I believe that would be transparent enough. there is a 1 mile race track . How many laps would you like to see? Also, check out the dot's "guidlines for use of hydrogen fuel in commercial vehicles" .The on board generators are mentioned for diesel engines.
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| ...would be a duplicate of what PM did. Get a disinterested professional 3rd party, give them the instructions on how to do it, and see if it works. I will trust no other results, given the history and statements of the HHO hucksters over the last year. I have seen a number of local news reporters duped with faulty test procedures. | |
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Replying to: bunnell (Mar 06, 2009 8:01 am) If I thought an idea had any merit whatsoever, I'd invest some time in it, but I've seen and heard enough about HHO generators. The only other thing I'd like to see on the subject is when the "inventor" gets sentenced for fraud. And to the poor souls who end up manipulating their engine management systems and ruining their warranties, don't say I didn't say "I told you so". I would however go to a demonstration of the BMW hydrogen car, because I know it works, as the system it uses is scientifically sound and the math and the chemistry work as well. Here we have a pressurized hydrogen system and an engine specially built to burn it, and modest claims for gas mileage and range.
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Mar 06, 2009 8:18 am)  My idea has more merit than any other being presented here methinks.
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Mar 06, 2009 7:48 am)
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Replying to: vcheng (Mar 06, 2009 8:26 am) I think you can even see this happening among the people who fell for it---once they realized that the idea was based on totally false premises, they started devising other ways of manipulating their cars to get some kind of boost in fuel mileage---sort of backyard experimentation. This seems harmless enough for a lawn mower or 1972 VW van with rusty bumpers, but it's an absolutely reckless thing to do on a new car. I can only imagine the havoc that this "inventor" and his sub-inventors will create among the innocents who lean out their fuel mixtures and set their engine timing to dangerous levels so they can break the EPA estimates while sending the emissions needle through the roof. You know things are bad when "believers" will dismiss the comments from an MIT professor and hang on the every word of a convicted drug dealer. That to me is kinda sad.
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