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Hyundai Genesis, Hyundai Genesis Coupe, Coupe, Sedan
Full Test: 2009 Hyundai Genesis Sedan - Bottom Line: Your socks had better be firmly affixed or the Genesis will blow them clean off; there isn't a better rear-wheel-drive sport sedan for the money. (more)
Full Test: 2009 Hyundai Genesis V6 - Bottom Line: A handsome luxury car that won't break the bank.(more)
#44 of 63 Re: Hyundai good for Lexus, not for BMW [lexusland69]
Nov 01, 2008 (11:32 pm)
Hyundai could be good for Lexus, not for BMW. I own a BMW and would not consider Lexus for myself, but I may get Lexus for my wife. I think the gap between Lexus and BMW is bigger than the gap between Lexus and Toyota. This statement is made basing on the mechanics of the cars, not the value or price. I agree BMW is not the best value among them. Over 30 years, I've owned and driven many many different cars in my life. To me, the Toyota is the best value among all.
#45 of 63 Re: Hyundai good for Lexus, not for BMW [james108]
Nov 02, 2008 (7:08 am)
Sorry old chap but I really don't know what you are trying to say....Hyundai may be good for Lexus????
#46 of 63 Re: Hyundai good for Lexus, not for BMW [lexusland69]
Nov 16, 2008 (2:48 pm)
I currently own a Lexus as well as a Toyota. While they are both very good cars, the Lexus is just a Toyota on "price" steroids. That said, I have also owned two BMW's (before they became yuppy cars) and three Mercedes Benz'. I can tell you that if you do alot of high speed cruising on the interstates,especially in states like Nevada, Montana etc., a Mercedes Benz is the car to own.....BAR NONE. Japanese cars, while well made, feel like a 1950's American car on the road at very high speeds (and that's not a compliment), compared to a MB or even a BMW. It's not something you can easily describe, you have to drive a MB to understand. Yet, as good as a MB may be, it is really overpriced, with NO justification for it, especially for models that are made here.
btw - I've had NO reliability problems with any of my Mercedes Benz'.
#47 of 63 Re: Hyundai good for Lexus, not for BMW [rmhockman]
Jan 16, 2009 (3:25 pm)
I think what he is attempting to say is value is in the eyes of the beholder. Usually one measures value in cars by luxury appointments, doo-dads and roominess. Something the Genesis excels in.
Looking at a BMW, however, the value in the car is in the overall harmony of the car, not necessarily the cost of the luxury appointments and doo-dads.
Bottom line, to compare the Genesis against the 5 series, for example, the 5 series would seem to lose until you actually slip into the drivers seat and pound the heck out of the car.
Comparing the Genesis against the GS300, the poster was saying is a closer match. But there still is a bit of a gap between Lexus and BMW in the seat of the pants department, although everyone has their own opinion.
edit - to the previous poster I agree. However, why buy a $70K Rolex when a $10 timex does exactly the same job?
#49 of 63 Re: Long Term Test Available [KarenS]
Feb 20, 2009 (3:19 pm)
There is a comment on the first page of this Edmunds article about the Genesis 4.6 lacking power for a V8 and not being much faster than the V6 Genesis:
"Not an impressive V8. Lacking both big torque and high-rpm punch, this engine seems rather pointless. Not much quicker than the V6."
I have to disagree with the above comment, since Motortrend got 5.5 seconds 0-60 and a 14.0 second 1/4 mile with the Genesis 4.6. The V8 engine in the Genesis 4.6 makes 333 lb/ft torque, within 10 lb/ft of most other V8's of similar displacement. Lacking torque? Maybe compared to larger-displacement V8's (5.7L Hemi, Mercedes Benz 5.5L, etc). If they feel high-RPM punch is lacking, could it be that maybe they didn't run the gears up to redline in manual mode? The transmission shifts well before redline in regular auto mode.
Consider this also: Motortrend's times for the GS460 were 5.6 / 14.0. Edmunds' times for the GS350 were 5.7 / 14.0 - the V8 Lexus being only 0.1 second faster to 60, and no faster through 1/4 mile.
Looking at those numbers, we could just as easily say the V8 engine in the GS460 "seems rather pointless" as well.
#50 of 63 Harsh ride in later delivered Genesis Sedans
Aug 10, 2009 (10:37 am)
The ride is unforgivable. Some owners have actually traded in their new Genesis sedans already beacuse they can't stand the ride and the corp folks say it is as designed. It is widely documented that the Hyundai USA folks "Stiffened Up the Ride" in response to some Korean journalists comments about it being too cushy. Efforts to get this fixed are falling on deaf ears.
Poor showing, I have owned numerous MB's and they know how to treat the customer. The Genesis is not going to win in the long run as a great swelling of comment on the forums and later Magazine reviews are all panning the ride as Harsh one magazine reviewer even said in Print "The worst rideing car I have ever driven"
#51 of 63 Re: Harsh ride in later delivered Genesis Sedans [gripperdon]
Aug 10, 2009 (10:48 am)
one magazine reviewer even said in Print "The worst rideing car I have ever driven"
How about a link to that article? I own a Genesis, and while I have mentioned the ride can be a bit unsettled at times, it certainly isn't the "worst riding car".
#52 of 63 Re: Harsh ride in later delivered Genesis Sedans [tjc78]
Aug 10, 2009 (1:29 pm)
MB owner is unsettled by the fact that an upstart car company has made an automobile that is comparable in luxury, ride, technology and comfort.
Aug 11, 2009 (6:34 am)
Poor ride????..this guy is having some kind of an illusion. This car is as smooth as any I have ever driven, in fact I'm positively amazed with it's ride and silence. This is not a mushmobile like some Lincolns and Cadillacs I have owned. Sounds like a poor sport to me thats pouting about some real competition with affordable pricing compared to Mercedes and BMW.