Last post on Feb 28, 2010 at 9:19 AM
You are in the Hybrid Vehicles - Archived Discussions
This discussion is ARCHIVED. To reactivate the discussion, post a request in the Lost? Ask the Hybrids Host for directions! discussion.
What is this discussion about?
Toyota Prius, Volkswagen Golf, Diesel, Hybrid Cars, Hatchback, Sedan
#725 of 791 Re: You are repeating yourself again. [gagrice]
Feb 18, 2010 (7:19 pm)
Big discounts on the Prius when they are removed from the no sell list.
First, they are available for sale or lease NOW. As Bob mentioned, it takes very little time to apply the software fix for the brakes.
Second, I don't understand something. A few posts ago you talked about how much more expensive the Prius is compared to the Golf TDI. But now you talk about "big discounts" on the Prius. How big are they? $1000? $2000? More?
Golf TDI 5-door with AT: $24,610 MSRP including destination.
You noted that VW dealers are not discounting the Golf TDI, so let's assume that is the price.
Prius 5-door with "AT" (more like CVT): $23,550 MSRP
So for comparable base models, the Prius is more than $1000 less than the TDI looking at MSRPs. But after applying the "big discounts" you mentioned, now the base Prius is thousands less than the base TDI.
As for adding a moonroof, the Prius III with moonroof is $28,380 MSRP. But that car includes navigation and Bluetooth. A comparably equipped 5-door Golf TDI lists at $27,559. Since there are no discounts, that is the price. Now apply the "big discounts" available on the Prius, and it will cost less than the Golf. Plus the Prius will have that nifty solar-powered moonroof with the ventilator fan and remote AC control.
#726 of 791 Re: You are repeating yourself again. [backy]
Feb 18, 2010 (8:15 pm)
Prius 5-door with "AT" (more like CVT): $23,550 MSRP
Try to find a stripped Prius. Not many in CA. Even with discounts the price average is $27k to $32k. Plus TTL which is over $3000. Add $3000 more for the NAV moonroof option. You will have a hard time getting out of a Toyota dealer in CA with a Prius for less than $30k cash. It will be easier with the current debacle going on at Toyota. Should I say it is a buyers market for the risk takers.
Finding a Prius is easy. First dealer in San Diego I pulled up has 60 in stock. If you want a Golf TDI you will have to wait and pay MSRP. That is against all my principles. So I will keep what I have till I find what I want at the price I want to pay.
#727 of 791 Re: Okay [bwilson4web]
Feb 18, 2010 (8:20 pm)
I've met John1701 in person and other forums and he is a nice guy.
No one says he is not a nice guy. He just loves hybrids and hates diesel cars. So we have been debating in the diesel forums for at least 7 years. I have come to really enjoy driving diesel vehicles and am frustrated with the obstacles put up by the regulators that are beholden to the oil companies. My experience with hybrids having owned one is far from positive.
#728 of 791 Comparo Re: [backy]
Feb 18, 2010 (8:53 pm)
Golf TDI MSRP starts at $23,104. And that is before the tax credit is considered.
$24,610 is with optional DSG and is for the 4 door.
Unfortunately, Prius is not available in a 2 door.
Unfortunately, Prius is not available with a manual transmission.
Unfortunately, maintenance is not included with Prius.
I did a search on Autotrader and found several new 2010 Prius for sale for $21,802.
Prius is less cost than Golf TDI.
Sometimes, cheaper is not better.
#729 of 791 Re: You are repeating yourself again. [gagrice]
Feb 18, 2010 (9:29 pm)
Try to find a stripped Prius.
The closest dealer to me had eight as of last Saturday. But MN is not CA... thankfully.
Add $3000 more for the NAV moonroof option.
I did. As I explained, Prius is less expensive than the Golf TDI even with those options, after we apply the "big discounts" you say are available on the Prius now.
BTW, I just did a search of new Priuses within 100 miles of 90210 and there were 651. Nearly 100 of those were base models, under $24k. Nearly 150 were under $25k. So it appears there's quite a few of "stripped" Prius available in CA, at least in SoCal.
#730 of 791 Re: Comparo Re: [moparbad]
Feb 18, 2010 (9:36 pm)
Gagrice talked about comparing prices of comparably-equipped vehicles, so I thought it was only fair to compare cars with the same utility (i.e. number of doors) and same kind of transmissions.
I don't find it unfortunate that the Prius is not available as a 2-door hatchback. I find a 4-door hatch far more useful. Also, most car buyers in the US opt for automatic transmissions, so the lack of a stick shift isn't a factor for most buyers. I agree, cheaper is not necessarily better.
#731 of 791 Re: You are repeating yourself again. [backy]
Feb 18, 2010 (9:56 pm)
So it appears there's quite a few of "stripped" Prius available in CA, at least in SoCal.
The recall on the Prius and the no sell has created a glut. As I posted before it is a buyers market if you can stand the numb handling, uncomfortable seats and highway noise. You may get a buy of sorts. Don't expect the high resale of the past. Toyota has pretty much screwed that up.
#733 of 791 Re: can't rent a TDI? Or vice versa? Ever? [bwilson4web]
Feb 19, 2010 (6:38 am)
The insurance companies will be OK with a weekend swap... just as long as the owner knows that all damage and liability remains with the insured OWNER/insurer of the vehicle. The primary hit comes on the primary insurance holder. The "borrower" insurance only comes into play if a verdict or liability exceeds that of the owner. Ditto if you let your best friend drive you home. If he smashes up the car, it's the owners insurance, not the insurance of the friend driving, that gets hit. And higher rates where applicable.
#734 of 791 Re: You are repeating yourself again. [gagrice]
Feb 19, 2010 (7:18 am)
Amazing that "glut" happened in a matter of hours.
As long as someone doesn't buy a Prius and then try to sell it in an year or so, I don't think there will be any impact on resale value. The Prius is still the only mid-sized hatchback hybrid car and the only car capable of routinely averaging mid-50s mpg across a mix of driving conditions with typical driving techniques. It's not like it has a lot of competition in the resale market, which in case you haven't noticed is edging up in general of late.