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#719 of 791 Re: Prius brake recall [bwilson4web]
Feb 18, 2010 (2:19 pm)
Another case where you cannot believe a word Toyota says. Hopefully you did get a fix for your brakes.
TORRANCE, Calif., February 8, 2010 – Toyota Motor Sales (TMS), U.S.A., Inc, today announced it will conduct a voluntary safety recall on approximately 133,000 2010 Model Year Prius vehicles to update software in the vehicle’s antilock brake system (ABS). No other Toyota vehicles are involved in this recall.
The recall will allow Toyota dealers to perform the software update on 2010 Prius vehicles sold prior to this running production change. Only Prius vehicles produced since May 2009 are subject to this recall. First- and second-generation Prius vehicles use a different ABS system and are not involved in this campaign.
Toyota will begin mailing letters to Prius owners included in this recall next week to let them know when to bring their vehicles into a dealership. Owners will only receive a letter if their vehicle is involved in the recall.
#720 of 791 Re: Prius brake recall [gagrice]
Feb 18, 2010 (3:28 pm)
"Hopefully you did get a fix for your brakes."
I did. I had test data documenting the brake pause before the fix. Afterwards,
I repeated the earlier tests and the A0B fix is quite effective. I have graphs
showing the before and after results ... if you are interested.
Feb 18, 2010 (3:49 pm)
This is starting to snowball and we've been down this "diesel vs hybrid" road before.
BEFORE it gets personal and out of hand, let's all pull back a bit and realize that changing the other guy's mind isn't very likely. I like a good debate as much as anyone, so lets keep it at that level and avoid going after each other... thanks!
#722 of 791 Re: Okay [pf_flyer]
Feb 18, 2010 (4:09 pm)
Is there any possibility of relocating the thread to a TDI forum?
After all, those pushy Prius advocates will no doubt head right over there ... NOT!
#723 of 791 Re: Okay [bwilson4web]
Feb 18, 2010 (4:22 pm)
It is linked to the diesel forum and the Golf links. We have had Prius people beating us down in those threads since the Prius was first announced 10 years ago. You are a mild diesel hater debater compared to John1701. Its all fun.
This has been around a while:
Feb 18, 2010 (5:08 pm)
"It is linked to the diesel forum and the Golf links. We have had Prius people beating us down in those threads since the Prius was first announced 10 years ago."
I went to those forums and didn't see the same title for a thread.
"You are a mild diesel hater debater compared to John1701."
I've met John1701 in person and other forums and he is a nice guy. The funny thing is I came here to make sure folks had the latest facts and data about A0B, the brake pause. I typically don't go looking for TDI forums to 'spin them up.'
#725 of 791 Re: You are repeating yourself again. [gagrice]
Feb 18, 2010 (6:19 pm)
Big discounts on the Prius when they are removed from the no sell list.
First, they are available for sale or lease NOW. As Bob mentioned, it takes very little time to apply the software fix for the brakes.
Second, I don't understand something. A few posts ago you talked about how much more expensive the Prius is compared to the Golf TDI. But now you talk about "big discounts" on the Prius. How big are they? $1000? $2000? More?
Golf TDI 5-door with AT: $24,610 MSRP including destination.
You noted that VW dealers are not discounting the Golf TDI, so let's assume that is the price.
Prius 5-door with "AT" (more like CVT): $23,550 MSRP
So for comparable base models, the Prius is more than $1000 less than the TDI looking at MSRPs. But after applying the "big discounts" you mentioned, now the base Prius is thousands less than the base TDI.
As for adding a moonroof, the Prius III with moonroof is $28,380 MSRP. But that car includes navigation and Bluetooth. A comparably equipped 5-door Golf TDI lists at $27,559. Since there are no discounts, that is the price. Now apply the "big discounts" available on the Prius, and it will cost less than the Golf. Plus the Prius will have that nifty solar-powered moonroof with the ventilator fan and remote AC control.
#726 of 791 Re: You are repeating yourself again. [backy]
Feb 18, 2010 (7:15 pm)
Prius 5-door with "AT" (more like CVT): $23,550 MSRP
Try to find a stripped Prius. Not many in CA. Even with discounts the price average is $27k to $32k. Plus TTL which is over $3000. Add $3000 more for the NAV moonroof option. You will have a hard time getting out of a Toyota dealer in CA with a Prius for less than $30k cash. It will be easier with the current debacle going on at Toyota. Should I say it is a buyers market for the risk takers.
Finding a Prius is easy. First dealer in San Diego I pulled up has 60 in stock. If you want a Golf TDI you will have to wait and pay MSRP. That is against all my principles. So I will keep what I have till I find what I want at the price I want to pay.
#727 of 791 Re: Okay [bwilson4web]
Feb 18, 2010 (7:20 pm)
I've met John1701 in person and other forums and he is a nice guy.
No one says he is not a nice guy. He just loves hybrids and hates diesel cars. So we have been debating in the diesel forums for at least 7 years. I have come to really enjoy driving diesel vehicles and am frustrated with the obstacles put up by the regulators that are beholden to the oil companies. My experience with hybrids having owned one is far from positive.
#728 of 791 Comparo Re: [backy]
Feb 18, 2010 (7:53 pm)
Golf TDI MSRP starts at $23,104. And that is before the tax credit is considered.
$24,610 is with optional DSG and is for the 4 door.
Unfortunately, Prius is not available in a 2 door.
Unfortunately, Prius is not available with a manual transmission.
Unfortunately, maintenance is not included with Prius.
I did a search on Autotrader and found several new 2010 Prius for sale for $21,802.
Prius is less cost than Golf TDI.
Sometimes, cheaper is not better.