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#549 of 791 Re: November poll - voting results are in [kdhspyder]
Dec 12, 2009 (3:39 pm)
Toyota NAV units are JUNK. They are at the bottom of the latest JD Powers survey for good reason. They are not only overpriced to start with they are overpriced to update. Denso is a junk electronics company. Prius may have gone to a different brand for 2010. They are still at the bottom of the pile. 8 of the bottom 11 vehicles in the survey are Toyotas. Including the Prius. When I asked about an update for my 2007 Sequoia which came with a 2004 DVD the price was $450 plus tax, which is $493.88. You can call it what you like but my statements stand and you are misinformed. Toyota needs to break loose with a few of those Billions stashed in a Japanese bank and use quality electronics. Start giving the customers what they deserve for the money they spend.
#550 of 791 Re: November poll - voting results are in [gagrice]
Dec 13, 2009 (6:53 am)
>> Toyota Hybrids have peaked in sales and are headed down hill
Afraid of what the first 12 months of 2010 Prius sales will bring, eh?
Including the final 5 months of older generation sales (Jan-May 2009) and disregarding the down economy is rather obvious greenwashing. It's called cherry picking.
Waiting for an entire full year of data will confirm strong sales that the newest generation design. Watch the numbers in the top-10 seller list.
#551 of 791 Re: November poll - voting results are in [gagrice]
Dec 14, 2009 (6:25 am)
"Toyota NAV units are JUNK. . . "
It never occurred to me to spend $24,000 on a car to get a navigation unit. We bought a $200 nuvi GPS, Consumer Reports recommended, and it moves from car-to-car. This portable, removable GPS even works while walking, bike riding or trying to find our car in a mall parking lot.
#552 of 791 Re: November poll - voting results are in [bwilson4web]
Dec 14, 2009 (7:47 am)
I was somewhat blindsided. I would not have bought an OEM NAV if it was not already in the vehicle I wanted. I just expected more than I got. Then the lies about XM being available and you may see why I am again turned off by Toyota. I may not buy a VW, but I sure as heck will not buy another Toyota. I'm happy to see VW pass Toyota as the largest auto company in the World. I just hope they build their TDI models in their new factory in Chattanooga.
#553 of 791 Re: November poll - voting results are in [gagrice]
Dec 14, 2009 (3:00 pm)
" XM being available "
Actually I 'fired' XM this summer when I decided to go iPod. I got so tired of their 'tone deaf' programming and lack of content when I wanted it. Our 2010 has XM built in but I've never activated it ... even the demo. I had XM in our 03 but I don't miss it.
#554 of 791 Re: November poll - voting results are in [bwilson4web]
Dec 14, 2009 (4:30 pm)
We had XM in our 2005 GMC PU and enjoyed the Classical stations and the Christmas stations. If our Toyota CD player was able to play without skipping I would have been fine without XM. I took it into the dealer we bought it from and they said it tested OK. We did not use it until we got a new album and first time we tried it the thing it stuck and the NAV locked open. Then it took 4 weeks to get a new unit as it came from India. All under warranty. But we did not have the use of the NAV or radio for weeks. The Bose in our GMC was head and shoulders above the top of the line unit in our Sequoia Limited. Toyota is not top of the line anything. And I find the comparison between the Golf TDI and Prius laughable. The Prius has two slight advantages. Storage and city mileage. I know if you ever drove a VW TDI you would be trying to unload your Prii.
#555 of 791 Re: November poll - voting results are in [gagrice]
Dec 14, 2009 (9:38 pm)
"The Prius has two slight advantages. Storage and city mileage."
Since October 2005, we've driven over 70,000 miles at over 52 MPG, our 1.5L, 2003 Prius. It has more than met expectations and remains my primary commuting car. It also has the 1 kW inverter used for emergency power a couple of times per year and a 2" receiver for towing the trailer to carry oversized loads like lumber. It is our Jetta sized sedan with 52 MPG mileage and materially improved our quality of life.
For the past six months, we put 7,000 miles on our second, 1.8L, 2010 Prius. It too is running over 52 MPG with more interior space and better high speed, highway and city mileage than a Jetta TDI. The 2010 Prius is used for weekends and errands and fills a role no Jetta TDI could hope to meet at 52 MPG. It is my wife's car so we are a two Prius family.
Eventually the 2010 Prius will get a receiver for towing and possibly a more powerful A/C inverter. It may also get a battery pack for extended electric operation. At ~$.80/gal. equivalent electrical cost, this will further reduce our transportation cost. This is an area where the Jetta TDI does not compete.
". . . if you ever drove a VW TDI you would be trying to unload . . ."
My wife and I prefer to go flying for fun.
#556 of 791 dirty diesel owners, safely sooty a Prius traffic-impeder today!
Dec 15, 2009 (5:12 am)
Bob W, could you pick up the pace a little bit, maybe a bit more detail and verbosity and justification of the wonderfulness of your two-Prius experience?
Your posts have reminded me to provide a pulse of diesel soot after passing one of the "Pulse and Glide Traffic-Impeding Prius People".
I definitely concur with the repeated points about how the Prius excels when it is stationary/parked. But those "paperweight" functionalities are nowhere in my top requirements for a car.
Personally I think the difference between 45 & 55 mpg is trivial when considered in cost-per mile, but many folks do get quite excited about it.
Would bo5th TDI or Prius owners do well to consider that the idea of always striving to reduce one's transportation cost may have already run into the law of diminishing marginal returns, considering we are already driving ~50 mpg cars?
I've thought positively about hybrids, but after riding in a Prius I would never consider one. For my tastes, Prius is an incredibly awful riding/handling vehicle, right out of the showroom. Civic hybrid was not much better. I have hopes for the new Honda Insight however and would like to test one.
#557 of 791 Re: dirty diesel owners, safely sooty a Prius traffic-impeder today! [elias]
Dec 15, 2009 (6:54 am)
". . . passing one of the "Pulse and Glide Traffic-Impeding Prius People". "
They irritate me too. Fortunately, we don't have any in Huntsville AL.
". . . nowhere in my top requirements for a car."
Nor should it. This is why this long running thread in the Prius forum makes no sense except for amusement. The earnestness of the TDI advocates is only exceeded by their limited but growing understanding that others may have a different set of requirements.
". . . paperweight functions . . ."
The 1 kW inverter and emergency power means we don't have to 'curse the darkness.' The vehicle provides a return on investment even when sitting in the driveway. Eventually, I hope to go full, co-generation powered by natural gas providing both house heat and power. It is another area where the TDI will never hope to achieve.
". . . the difference between 45 & 55 mpg is trivial . . . "
The average NHW11 owner is getting 45 MPG and the ZVW30, 2010 Prius, is getting 50 MPG. But the 2010 Prius has a lot more space and the 1.8L engine gives it better high speed, highway and hill climbing performance. It is a better car. BTW, the 2010 Prius steering has more caster.
BTW, I note the average TDI owner is reporting 40 MPG in www.fueleconomy.gov. So there you have:
40 MPG - TDI owners
45 MPG - NHW11 owners (personal 52 MPG)
50 MPG - ZVW30 owners (personal 52 MPG)
As for my 52 MPG in the NHW11, I simply choose to drive Prius friendly routes and pay attention to vehicle warm-up. The ZVW30, 2010 Prius, has removed those limitations.
" . . . For my tastes, Prius is an incredibly awful riding/handling vehicle . . ."
Correct! Others have different 'tastes'.
I found the 2010 Prius tracks better than our 2003 Prius. However, I've also found long distance travel in our older, 2003 Prius is not nearly as fatiguing as our earlier, non-hybrid vehicles. The 2003 Prius doesn't have the fatiguing noise and vibration so driving 14 or more hours in a day is entirely practical with just ordinary breaks. I have done two, 24 hour trips in the 2003 Prius only possible because it doesn't 'beat me up.' The ZVW30, 2010 Prius is even better but I don't expect others to share my taste in vehicles or driving.
The one problem with the 2010 Prius is my wife drives with a lead foot. She had the car up to 93 mph and I didn't notice it until I looked at the GSP speed. Our non-Prius cars complained a lot at speeds over 90 mph and became uncomfortable. The 2010 handles it quietly and smoothly ... even on Tennessee roads.
Still, this thread remains and TDI advocates continue to make themselves available for conversion ... or at least getting a clue. It isn't as if Prius advocates have to hang out in TDI forums ... a behavior that has a name. I suspect there are many fine GM and Chrysler forums that need the 'TDI good news.'
#558 of 791 Re: dirty diesel owners, safely sooty a Prius traffic-impeder today! [bwilson4web]
Dec 15, 2009 (7:24 am)
It isn't as if Prius advocates have to hang out in TDI forums ... a behavior that has a name.
Ah, but you are wrong. I have been on the diesel and TDI forum since 1998 and from the first Prius entering this country we have had TDI envy posters making snide remarks and posting inaccurate data about diesel cars. And if you noticed this thread is a Prius vs Golf TDI. Which, if you were not aware, the Golf TDI beat out the 2010 Prius as "Green Car of the Year". It was also picked as the World Car of the Year over the Prius. The Prius appeals to a small segment of the World's population, mostly in high mileage deprived USA. There are dozens of diesel cars in the World that get better than 52 MPG. You just cannot buy one here in the Land of the Free.