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#518 of 791 Actually Driven Hybrids & 2010 Golf TDI
Nov 08, 2009 (10:35 pm)
I have driven both the Honda Insight and the Toyota Prius for long distances from a company fleet. Both are good cars -- well finished and put together. They both suffer hybrid "problems" such lackluster acceleration, mushy brakes, and to achieve advertised MPG, the Econ mode has to be used which turns the A/C off while at most stop lights -- turning the A/C off at a stop light when it's 102* in August here in Sacramento is not an option.
I drove the 2010 Golf TDI today and I will be purchasing one very soon. The fit and finish is excellent, loaded with premium features, it stops on a dime, the paddle shifters work wonders, it has almost as much torque as my 2007 Audi A4 3.2 (243 v. 236) and at 30/42 MPG!
If you actually love tearing up a back road the Golf TDI is an excellent alternative (opportunity?) to a hybrid.
#519 of 791 Re: Actually Driven Hybrids & 2010 Golf TDI [csus_grad]
Nov 08, 2009 (11:34 pm)
ECO does not turn off the A/C in Prius, it only reduces it.
PWR is available in Prius and works well for situations like hard acceleration when making a left turn at an intersection from a dead stop.
As for the advertised MPG, you can easily exceed it by just driving normal in ECO mode. My 2010 average with 10,362 miles since the end of May is 52.5 MPG.
#520 of 791 Is Prius really that reliable?
Nov 28, 2009 (8:08 pm)
Many claim that Prius is more reliable than Jetta TDIs, to an extent where some say Prius is bulletproof. Well, just go to ODI website at
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ and search Prius problems. in the 2006 model has 676 problems reported, whereas 2006 VW Jetta TDI Model has counted around 80 problems. Assuming 40000 Jetta TDIs for 2006 were sold (103,331 VW Jettas in US, and TDIs were around 40% of Jetta sales) and Prius in 2006 sold 107000 units (according to wikipedia), which has more problems per capita? Prius. Prius has less problems in 2009 than VW TDI, but Prius in 2010 shows more problems than VW TDI, according to ODI.
#521 of 791 Re: Is Prius really that reliable? [schong]
Nov 28, 2009 (8:16 pm)
Welcome to the forum. Keep up the good research. We like facts around here. Not to mention the Jetta is safer and much better handling under all driving conditions. I would expect the new Golf TDI to be even better. The only problem with the Golf TDI is lack of units available to US. I am sure the dollar has killed the incentive to bring many to our shores. The EU gets all the good stuff and the US gets the dregs.
#522 of 791 advantage TDI: stops when u brake, shift to neutral, or turn off ignition
Nov 30, 2009 (6:57 am)
possibly it can be considered an advantage for tdi in that the vehicle actually slows/stops 100% of the time when you hit the brake, shift to neutral, or turn off key.
Apparently Toyota Prius is incapable/unreliable with those simple functions, as reported by Toyota and the 2000 who reported/confirmed the issues to NHTSA and 200 dead/injured toyota customers due to the egregious design flaw.
#523 of 791 Re: Is Prius really that reliable? [schong]
Nov 30, 2009 (7:04 pm)
>> http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ and search Prius problems. in the 2006 model has 676 problems reported, whereas 2006 VW Jetta TDI Model has counted around 80 problems.
Vague use of the word "problem" is enlighting.
Of the 676 problems, look at how many of them had a topic of "headlight" or "headlamp". Turns out, almost all of them (1,497 instances of those words).
Of the 80 problems, look at how many of them had a topic of "transmission". Turns out, it's somewhere around half (178 instances of the word).
In other words, the use of HID lights turned out to be an issue as they age and they are no longer offered. And fortunately, they have absolutely nothing to do with the propulsion sytem... not the transmission.
#524 of 791 Re: Is Prius really that reliable? [john1701a]
Nov 30, 2009 (8:16 pm)
You are right. There are a lot of disgusted Prius owners when they find out it costs $900 to replace a stinking head light. A very good reason to avoid all that high tech Crapola in the Prius. Is that why you dumped your near new Prius?
#525 of 791 Re: Is Prius really that reliable? [john1701a]
Nov 30, 2009 (8:56 pm)
Dismiss all Toyota problems, they will just go away.
Prius unintended acceleration.
Truck frames rusting and breaking.
#526 of 791 Re: Is Prius really that reliable? [john1701a]
Nov 30, 2009 (9:50 pm)
Actually, problems with HID can be extremely dangerous when they go off at night.
#527 of 791 Re: Is Prius really that reliable? [schong]
Dec 01, 2009 (6:31 pm)
That wouldn't happen.
Each HID light has an independent controllers.