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Toyota Prius vs VW Golf TDI

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Re: wow [backy] by gagrice
Sep 24, 2009 (7:40 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Sep 24, 2009 5:41 pm)

I would not hold my breath for Toyota to offer a Plug-in hybrid. Having followed your posts for many years you do a lot of looking and testing before buying. You end up getting the most bang for your buck. I don't think the Prius will ever be the most bang for the buck. I really doubt the Golf TDI will be either. Too many options from Hyundai and Mazda. Every vehicle is a compromise. I have NEVER owned a vehicle that I was totally satisfied with. Well maybe my 1984 full sized Bronco. I loved that vehicle and hated to sell it.
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. by thammer62
Sep 25, 2009 (4:23 am)
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Other than me, Is everyone in here employed by either Toyota or Volkswagen? You all are amazingly resiliant with your opinions. There hasn't been a single day in the past 2 months that this thread wasn't full with new posts. Entertaining if nothing else. Time consuming is another word that comes to mind...
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Golf prices by gagrice
Sep 25, 2009 (7:39 am)
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Just got an email with the pricing on the 2010 Golf.
Trim Engine Transmission MSRP**
Golf 2-door 2.5L 170 hp Five-speed manual $ 17,490
Golf 2-door 2.5L 170 hp Six-speed automatic with Tiptronic® $ 18,590
Golf 4-door 2.5L 170 hp Six-speed automatic with Tiptronic® $ 19,190
Golf 2-door TDI 2.0L 140 hp Six-speed manual $ 22,189
Golf 2-door TDI 2.0L 140 hp Six-speed automatic DSG® with Tiptronic® $ 23,289
Golf 4-door TDI 2.0L 140 hp Six-speed manual $ 22,789
Golf 4-door TDI 2.0L 140 hp Six-speed automatic DSG® with Tiptronic® $ 23,889
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Re: Golf prices [gagrice] by backy
Sep 25, 2009 (1:49 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Sep 25, 2009 7:39 am)

Plus $700 destination on those prices, correct? If so, that puts the 4-door automatic TDI at $24,589. Even the base Golf 2.5 is now over $18k. I am even more glad I got my Certified 2007 Rabbit 6AT this spring for $11k + T&L. With prices like those, my car might actually go up in value.
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Re: Golf prices [backy] by gagrice
Sep 25, 2009 (3:51 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Sep 25, 2009 1:49 pm)

Sounds like you made a good buy. The Golf TDI price is about what people were getting a loaded Sportwagen TDI for a few months back. As a comparison, the largest inventory of 2010 Prius in San Diego are priced from $25,980 to $33,400. Most of the inventory is over $31k. Makes the Golf TDI a better buy. Yes you have to add $700 Destination charge on the VW. If they bring in a decent supply the prices will drop.
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Re: Golf prices [gagrice] by backy
Sep 25, 2009 (4:02 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Sep 25, 2009 3:51 pm)

I'd wait for the lower-priced Prius before I'd pay $26k plus for one. I don't need all the extra equipment, and I'm not in any hurry. Maybe selection will be better in MN than in Prius-crazy CA.
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Re: wow [gagrice] by backy
Sep 26, 2009 (5:26 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Sep 24, 2009 7:40 pm)

I would not hold my breath for Toyota to offer a Plug-in hybrid.
 
No need to...

Toyota will unveil its long anticipated plug-in hybrid Prius at the Frankfurt Motor Show. In early 2010, over 500 Prius PHEVs will be leased to fleet customers in Japan, the United States, and Europe. These pre-production cars will let Toyota evaluate their performance in a real-world environment before full-scale production starts. Retail sales are planned for 2012.

 
http://www.greencar.com/articles/toyota-unveil-lithium-ion-powered-prius-plug-hy- brid.php
 
And here's the report from Frankfurt:
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/09/21/frankfurt-2009-2010-toyota-prius-plug-in-hybr- id-cant-get-any-g/
 
Since I will be buying my next car in late 2012, then replace our minivan in 2013, this is great timing for me. I'll probably wait for the minivan replacement to go for the Prius. Maybe a Golf in 2012, depending on how my Rabbit holds up before then.
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Re: wow [backy] by gagrice
Sep 26, 2009 (7:37 am)
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Replying to: backy (Sep 26, 2009 5:26 am)

Seeing is believing. The PHEV Prius were supposed to be out in late 2008 on the market. They had test models in 2006. I don't think Li-Ion is ready for mainstream yet.
 
Just how new is Toyota's plug-in Prius? Maybe older than we think
This Friday, Toyota will deliver two plug-in Priuses to UC Davis for testing purposes. We've known about Toyota's PHEV Prius plan for a while now (the official announcement came back in July), but one of our clever readers, Joseph, submitted a tip that explains that perhaps the plug-in Prius has been in the works for six months, maybe even a year, before the July public acknowledgment. I'll let him explain:
 
The PHEV Prius prototypes from Toyota were revealed on July 25, 2007.

 
http://green.autoblog.com/2007/11/07/just-how-new-is-toyotas-plug-in-prius-maybe- -older-than-we-thin/
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Re: wow [backy] by gagrice
Sep 26, 2009 (7:56 am)
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Replying to: backy (Sep 26, 2009 5:26 am)

Another thing to think about. The Tax credit for EV or PHEV is based on the capacity of the battery. Volt was designed to get the maximum credit or maybe the other way around. The Prius PHEV will have less than a third the capacity of the Volt making the tax credit much less. Of course the batteries will also be less.
 
The PHEV Prius can operate in electric-only mode for about 12 miles at speeds up to 60 mph or so. This is about seven miles more than the current non-PHEV Prius. Apparently, this battery capacity was sized for European rather than American commuting habits. According to Toyota’s research, in the UK about 80 percent of trips are less than 6 miles and in France this number is 15 miles. For American commuters, the typically used all-electric commuting number is a much more demanding 40 miles, which is the all-electric capability of the Chevrolet Volt.
 
The Senate bill would give buyers a base-line credit of $2,500 for buying a vehicle powered by a 4-kilowatt hour battery. An additional $417 would be added for each KWh of battery power beyond that up to a total limit of $7,500.
 
http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/24/autos/plug-in_tax_credit/index.htm?section=money- _autos
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Re: wow [gagrice] by backy
Sep 26, 2009 (8:59 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Sep 26, 2009 7:37 am)

I don't think Li-Ion is ready for mainstream yet.
 
Obviously neither does Toyota. That's why they're doing field testing of 500 cars before they ramp up for production in 2012. What's your rush? Can't wait to buy one of those PHEV Priuses?
 
One of the best attributes of the Prius is its reliability. Why would Toyota want to jeopardize that by rushing new technology to market?

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