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Replying to: ruking1 (Sep 23, 2009 1:22 pm) |
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Replying to: eldaino2 (Sep 23, 2009 12:41 pm) And maybe the Golf would not be as successful if it didn't wear it's Germanic influence on its sleeve?  How does the solidity of your (former) Rabbit's cabin compare to that of the 2010 Prius?
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Replying to: ruking1 (Sep 23, 2009 1:01 pm) Uh... yes. I mentioned the effect of the Prius' electric motors many posts ago and tried multiple times to have you acknowledge that they impact the performance of the car. As I said, I'm glad we can move past that little speedbump now. I'm not sure we can, though, 'cause you keep making statements like, "I can't even imagine what the E/T would be (probably much LONGER) without that massive electric motor that is good from 0-1500 rpms." So while you acknowledge now the contribution to overall performance of the electric motors, you keep treating them as if they are something separate from the car. You would probably laugh if I said something like, "I can't even imagine what the E/T for the TDI would be (probably much LONGER) without that turbocharger that is good only under some driving situations."
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Replying to: backy (Sep 23, 2009 3:51 pm)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Sep 23, 2009 5:07 pm) Really in terms of competition ,the Camry hybrid more matches the Jetta in hp (147 hp vs VW TDI 140 hp. Torque (the real motivator) is somewhat mismatched 138# ft vs TDI's 236 #ft. There, and in several posts after that, you separated out the electric motor components of the Hybrid Synergy Drive and compared the output of the TDI to the output (hp and torque) of ONLY the ICE portion of the HSD. You completely ignored a major part of the HSD system. And I was clear in my earlier post that the 199 lb-ft of torque from the electric motors in the TCH was from 0-1500 RPM. So you are misquoting me when you say "in effect you tried to say you add the torque together through the band width". If you can prove that the only time the electric motors "kick in" for the Prius is when the gas engine is off, as you stated, please do. But I don't think you can because that's not how HSD works. Under hard acceleration, for example, both the gas engine and electric motors will contribute. Just like on a TDI, under hard acceleration the motor will be churning and the turbo will be spinning fast. Now that I have corrected your misstatements, let's move on.
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Replying to: backy (Sep 23, 2009 5:30 pm) Sorry guy, the above quote is still true about the Camry Hybrid, However lets do move on. And yes, I do know how the hybrid intergrates. The real world measures such as mpgs and zero to 60's times are the arbiters. The hybrid system really dont do much in the band width that is most important to me: 45 mph to 100 + mph (above 1,500 rpms) . Since the Prius fits your needs, that is what you care about anyway.
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Replying to: ruking1 (Sep 23, 2009 5:57 pm) With one little change: The above quote is still true about the Camry Hybrid if you ignore the fact that it is a gas/electric hybrid. 45 to 100+ mph, eh? Well, I see you and I are in a TOTALLY different world. "Through Truth to Freedom"
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Replying to: backy (Sep 23, 2009 7:03 pm) It would appear so. However starting  45 mph is pretty much the real world in this area. I notice Prius'es in that envelope. It is a tad bit hard to get mpg figures from Prius folks that operate in that envelope, as it appears a sizeable majority want to claim (king/queen of the hill dibs) 50 mpg or more, whether they do or not. I just really want an honest discusssion. To follow the "Toyota Prius Real World Numbers" mpg discussion, it would appear the majority is driving 55 mph or less to try to fight for the dibs and taking up hyper miling up as a serious hobby. It seems a few that report less than that are seen as less than worthy. WAY too much mental energy for not much gain.
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Replying to: backy (Sep 23, 2009 7:30 am) There are numerous complaints by Prius owners getting stuck because of the traction control on the Prius. As far as I know Toyota has not put a switch to disable that feature for driving in snow or on ice. The VWs have a switch to disable all the electronic gadgetry that takes control of the vehicle away from the driver. I prefer it that way. Toyota is unable to modify the troublesome Prius traction control system without placing the vehicle's sophisticated hybrid drive system in jeopardy, according to a Toyota service technician familiar with the Prius problem. In a mountainous or snowy areas, the little car can be more than just difficult, Prius owners complain. "I live in the mountains, up steep hills and dirt roads. I consider the slippage problem with the shutting down of power to the wheels just when you need more not less traction to be a very serious problem and a potentially life-threatening design flaw," a New England Prius owner told ConsumerAffairs.com. Again, the Prius is fine as a flat city car. Anything beyond that the Golf TDI will outshine the Prius.
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Replying to: backy (Sep 23, 2009 3:45 pm) How does the solidity of your (former) Rabbit's cabin compare to that of the 2010 Prius lol! true i guess. granted its probably difficult to 'wear' something as understated than that, but thanks for the laugh.  while i didnt absolutely HATE the new priuses interior, the quality of the swithchgear, surface textures and driving position all felt below that of my rabbit. def. better than the least gen prius, but still nothing to write home about. it looks cooler than it feels. |
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