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Replying to: gagrice (Sep 22, 2009 7:36 pm) Many people (including myself) like it a lot. You have to remember that this is 1.8l engine, not the old 1.5l. It is not as fast as TDI, but is a very capable engine. Test and see for yourself! Also, WV Polo CANNOT compare to the Prius! You have to compare it to Toyota Yaris in size. The reason Polo has such a good gas millage is that its size is maybe 60% the size on the Prius. On the top of that, it is very slow........ 
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Replying to: ruking1 (Sep 22, 2009 9:17 pm) No. Please re-read my post. Question: What are the horsepower and torque of the engine in the Golf TDI without the turbocharger? And without DI? Those are the numbers we should use for future comparisons to the Prius, since according to you the output from those add-on components shouldn't count, and also any additional power/torque from those add-on components must be available at all RPMs.
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Replying to: backy (Sep 23, 2009 4:58 am) You are grasping at straws with that argument. We should compare the Prius without the two electric motors then. Think it would make it to 60 MPH without a tailwind? The electric motors are the key to the Prius success. Not that anemic gas engine. Just as the turbo makes a small diesel engine practical. I think the two are a good comparo as they are. They have exactly the same passenger capacity, with the Prius an advantage in cargo capacity. No way the Prius will beat the Golf TDI to 60 MPH or any other speed contest. City mileage will be in the Prius column. Bucking the elements such as wind, snow, ice and mountains all in the Golf column. The Taylors have proven the VW TDI can top the Prius on a long haul mileage run. So all that is left is for VW to get them in the showrooms. I have the cash set aside if I really like the Golf TDI.
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Replying to: backy (Sep 23, 2009 4:58 am) No need to re-read your post , but.... Good. Because the context in which you put the electric motors is/can be VERY misleading. So my original post stands. This is not written to upset anybody, but Camry Hybrid 8.4 second 0-60 sec are "slug" numbers (ok, frisky slug) So by default 8.9 sec 0-60 TDI numbers... are similarily SLUGGISH. However the performance part important to me are the 45 to 100 + mph ranges. "Use able" torque in the TDI dwarfs the Prius and even the heads up competitor, Camry Hybrid. The (USE ABLE) torque in the TDI is 71% greater than the Camry Hybrid.
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Replying to: gagrice (Sep 23, 2009 5:35 am) That is exactly what is going on now. Thus I suggested we should consider the power/torque of the TDI without the turbo and TDI. Seems fair to me. Or we could be fair to both cars and compare their powertrains in their entirely, without omitting key components such as the electric motors (Prius) or turbo (TDI). They have exactly the same passenger capacity Their passenger volume is about the same. But passenger room/comfort is considerably different, e.g. much greater rear leg room in the Prius. City mileage will be in the Prius column. And highway mileage also, although with a smaller difference. Since you haven't driven the Gen 3 Prius yet, nor the Golf TDI, how do you know that the Golf beats the Prius in wind, snow, ice, and mountains? I can see the mountains. But wind, snow, and ice? A lot of that has to do with tire grip and effectiveness of brakes and ESC.
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Replying to: ruking1 (Sep 23, 2009 6:24 am) How about "usable" horsepower? Certainly the 187 net hp in the Camry dwarfs that of the Golf TDI, and even the 134 net hp of the Prius is very close to that of the TDI. Again, I see no point of comparing a real mid-sized sedan like the Camry to a compact hatchback like the Golf. Especially in a discussion that has nothing to do with the Camry.
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Replying to: backy (Sep 23, 2009 7:33 am) How about "usable" horsepower? Certainly the 187 net hp in the Camry dwarfs that of the Golf TDI, and even the 134 net hp of the Prius is very close to that of the TDI."... This is an all too common misunderstanding that the majority of (gasser) folks who have not driven diesels have.At the risk of not being PC, most gasser drivers are clueless how it even works in the gassers THEY drive. I could define it, but I think most folks STILL would not get it. Indeed you are in (written) denial when I say ask you which is more useable 236# ft of torque or 138# ft of torque and by a WHOPPING 71% !!?? Horsepower Torque link title
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interesting comments here. comparing one car without the electric motor, one without the turbo and DI...hilarious. since both the cars are sold with said things, you cant do anything BUT compare what they feature. and even though the prius does technically make more torque from its electric motor, guys it craps out under 2000 rpm. thats not usable in the least. hence why even the new prius is virtually slower than a tdi from a stop a roll, or whatever. a powerful prius! lol! this is hilarious. honestly, while the prius may do better from a mpg standpoint, it: 1. cant hold a candle to the interior of the VW golf tdi (few cars, if any, in that class or aclass above can.) 2. will never match the acceleration or driving dynamics 3. and will never take an understated stance towards its fuel economy abilities like the golf tdi does. (unless you are looking for a badge, its hard to tell the regular golf and tdi apart.) and while the new prius is a 'nice' car (in the same way a camry is a 'nice' car) you will never have that solid hewn from metal tuetonic feeling only possible in a german branded car. if that matters not to you thats cool, but to those who know what i'm talking about it makes all the world of difference. i cant wait to take the new golf tdi for a spin. its defintely on my short list. 2 different cars, similar mission, and one does it in the style that i prefer, with as little consequence to the driving experience as possible.
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Replying to: eldaino2 (Sep 23, 2009 8:40 am) Ah.... no. The Zero to 60 times for the Camry Hybrid of 8.4 seconds was with the electric motors fully functioning !!?? The scenario was a "fire for effect" to see if the one doing the communicating really meant what was implied. Thank fully he corrected or better stated himself.
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Replying to: ruking1 (Sep 23, 2009 7:59 am) Since you refuse to consider the total output of the Prius' powertrain, I would say it is you who is in denial, written and otherwise.
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