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531 messages, Last post on Dec 03, 2009 at 5:29 PM
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I just checked the user reports from the EPA web site: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/ 51.6 MPG - 46 vehicles - 2010 Prius 40.3 MPG - 24 vehicles - 2009 Jetta TDI auto 40.2 MPG - 16 vehicles - 2009 Jetta TDI manual 37.3 MPG - 13 vehicles - 2009 Jetta SportWagon TDI auto Lowest / Highest user reports: 38/63 - 2010 Prius 34/50 - Jetta TDI auto 33/57 - Jetta TDI manual 28/46 - Jetta SportWagon TDI auto Weird, even the owners of these vehicles are showing a strange MPG bias towards the 2010 Prius. As for pollution, I guess I don't care since my car is at home in Huntsville AL. I don't live in Japan, China, Korea, Mexico, Europe, Canada or any other foreign place. I'd recommend asking those folks if they care about manufacturing pollution ... any of them around this forum today? Bob Wilson
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Bob Wilson has a news flash for everyone - the Prius gets better combined mileage than a Golf. Stop the presses. All Prius guys listen up for just a second as I break it down for you: The Prius DOES get better gas mileage than the tdi. The Prius DOES release fewer harmful emissions than the tdi. BUT............the tdi is still better than 98% of cars on the road today at both of these key issues ---------AND it is a blast to drive. Can you all admit that this is a good combination of attributes? Can you understand why a person would find this car a really great all-around automobile worthy of one's hard earned coin? Shock me and do it. |
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Replying to: bwilson4web (Sep 22, 2009 9:54 am) PS I would give up more than 10 MPG for the added braking, safety and handling the VW TDIs offer.
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Replying to: gagrice (Sep 22, 2009 10:48 am) www.fueleconomy.gov 2009 Jetta TDI EPA 29 C / 40 H / 37 mpg comb 2009 Camry Hybrid EPA 33 C / 34 H/ 34 mpg comb "MPG Est For Drivers Like You" is more like: 2009 Jetta TDI 34 C / 50 H / comb 40.3 mpg 2009 Camry Hybrid 31 C / 41 H / comb 36.7 mpg So Jetta TDI has 9.8% combined better mpg. If one drives primarily H, Jetta is 22% better than Camry Hybrid If one drives primarily C (surprise surprise) Jetta TDI is 9.6 % better The Jetta TDI costs $2,390 less MSRP and $1,327 INVOICE less than the Camry Hybrid.The Hybrid's T or typical option package adds $1,150 MSRP/ $989 INVOICE
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| I have read the 2010 Golf TDI will start to hit the show rooms anywhere from Dec 2009 to Jan 2010. Edmunds.com does not yet list the pricing. | |
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Replying to: ruking1 (Sep 22, 2009 1:56 pm) Second, the Camry is a mid-sized car in every sense of the word, especially in length and interior room. The Jetta is a compact car in length and interior room. Third, why do you (and others) continually forget about a major part of the Prius' and TCH's powertrain: the electric motors? You only talk about the power and torque of the ICE part of their powertrains. That is like talking about the power and torque of the TDI, but only the diesel part--forget about the turbo and forget about DI. If you want to compare the Jetta TDI to the TCH (maybe because a comparison to the Prius is less favorable to the Jetta?), it's easy to create a discussion for that if there isn't one already.
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Replying to: backy (Sep 22, 2009 4:11 pm)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Sep 22, 2009 4:23 pm) TCH Hybrid System Net Power: 187 hp TCH Hybrid System Net Torque: 138 lb-ft + 199 lb-ft from 0-1500 RPM So power between TDI and Camry isn't even close, and on starting from rest (when you really need max torque), the torque isn't close either. But they are pretty close on the TDI vs. Prius: Prius Hybrid System Net Power: 134 hp Prius Hybrid System Torque: 105 lb-ft + 153 lb-ft
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Replying to: backy (Sep 22, 2009 4:44 pm) That is true only if you are a stop light drag racer. I need the torque when I have to kick it from 50 to 75 going up a long grade to pass a slow truck or Prius. That is when you really fall in love with diesel engines. You have to experience it to understand. You should test drive one sometime and you will be a believer. The Rabbit gasser is no match for the TDI out on the road.
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Replying to: backy (Sep 22, 2009 4:44 pm) "TCH Hybrid System Net Torque: 138 lb-ft + 199 lb-ft from 0-1500 RPM" So if you are saying the electric motors torque functions past 1500 RPMS AND delivers 199# ft of torque past 1500 rpms and is added to the gas engine torque past 1500 rpms then yes 337 # ft of torque is greater than 236# ft of torque. Is that what you are saying? Keep in mind the Camry Hybrid does the 0-60 in 8.4 seconds  and the TDI does it in 8.9 seconds. 
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