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Replying to: backy (Sep 18, 2009 4:52 pm) June 10, 2009 Toyota broke ground on the $1.3 billion Tupelo plant in 2006 to produce Highlander crossovers. Last summer the automaker delayed the project and then later changed plans to produce the Prius there instead. But last December, Toyota halted the project indefinitely, opting to finish construction of the building shell and wait for market conditions to improve. Why should it make any difference where the Golf is built? VW has much bigger plans for the US market than just the Golf. Hopefully all models will be offered with diesel engines. If Toyota was truly optimistic about the Prius sales they should have made room in one of their many plants that are running far below capacity. Such as San Antonio. Their 250k Tundra sales will be lucky to hit 50% of projection. That leaves a lot of room to build a lot more Prius. I think they cut the Prius too close to make a profit building them in the USA. Much the same as the D3's failure to be competitive with small cars built here. VW is wise to build the bigger stuff here and bring the small ones from Mexico.
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Got the options and a trade in for about 29700. I just left a credit card deposit. It was a Prius 111 and i was given a sticker which showed MSRP base 25800 and the nav pkg with a few mats etc type accessories 2289 Edmunds shows base as 23500. Dont sticker prices have to reflect the accurate Toyota base price? Then added my 95 honda for allegedly a 1000 dollars tradein. And they 'let me have it for 29000, I didnt sign any buyer's agreement yet though as it was to be done Monday. If it was a ripoff can i still back out? thanks W
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Replying to: ruking1 (Sep 18, 2009 5:04 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Sep 18, 2009 6:53 pm) http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-delays-us-prius-production-plans.html Why should it make any difference where the Golf is built? It doesn't in general. The only thing about where the Golf is built that is relevant is, the level of quality of the plant. Otherwise, who cares except people who have a thing about buying a car not "made in the USA". Since only one of my cars was, and that's a Mazda, it doesn't matter to me. But it seemed there was a LOT of emphasis placed by some folks here on Priuses not made in the USA, Corolla factories closing, etc. If Toyota was truly optimistic about the Prius sales they should have made room in one of their many plants that are running far below capacity. The way I see it, if Toyota were truly optimistic about Prius sales, they would built a new plant for them. Which was the plan, before the auto market collapsed late last year. So they now have a partially-completed plant in MS that can still build Priuses when sales support it. Anyway, since it doesn't make any difference where the Golf is built, it doesn't make any difference where the Prius is built, does it now?
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Replying to: backy (Sep 18, 2009 7:29 pm) Not to me it doesn't. I am thinking the Golf will be built in the EU for a while anyway. My point has always been that the Prius cannot be built in the USA due to pollution in manufacturing certain components. Many Prius drivers only care about tailpipe emissions. That is a small part of an automobiles pollution on the planet. Just because the batteries and motors are built in a third world country does not release them from guilt in my mind. The NoX, SoX and PM produced by the Prius in MFG far exceeds the non hybrid counterpart according to Toyota. The emissions only equals out at near end of life of the vehicles. On Particulate Matter the Golf will never be as polluting as the Prius.
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Replying to: backy (Sep 18, 2009 7:16 pm) I am no automotive pundit, but a consumer like you and most other interested car "nuts".  If I were to try to do a "lessons" learned on the Prius hybrid /Golf TDI comparo, it would be to quantify and qualify what a buyer's needs/wants/desires are. The good news is that you can compare almost dissimilar products for a host of reasons. The bad news is you can compare almost dissimilar products for a host of reasons. The easiest would be to do comparos on similar products. I would also submit the oems do not make that an easy job most times.
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Replying to: gagrice (Sep 18, 2009 7:51 pm) Then that was a really stupid thing Toyota did, planning and even starting that plant in Tupelo, MS, USA to build Priuses, wasn't it? To construct a factory to build cars that cannot be built there--that seems really strange, don't you think? As for environmental impact, here's some data from the EPA. Feel free to provide your own data from an independent source comparing the 2010 Prius and 2010 Golf TDI: Stat: Prius / Golf Fuel Economy Combined: 50 / 34 Real-world Average FE: 51.7 / NA Annual fuel cost: $774 / $1160 Annual petroleum consumption: 6.9 barrels / 11.9 barrels Annual CO2 (tons): 3.7 / 6.2 EPA size class: midsized / compact These figures are based on the defaults on www.fueleconomy.gov. It's possible to adjust things like fuel costs and miles driven to get numbers that reflect individual cases. Do you have figures for particulate emissions for the 2010 Prius and 2010 Golf TDI? Also, do you happen to have a link to the report that shows the manufacture of the Prius generates more NoX, SoX, and PM far exceeds that of the Golf TDI?
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Replying to: ruking1 (Sep 19, 2009 7:48 am) Here we are comparing the Prius to the Golf TDI. Two hatchbacks with high fuel economy and roughly the same starting price. The Golf is a little shorter than the Prius, hence has less cargo space, but interior volume is pretty close. Very different powertrains of course. But if the cars were too similar, any kind of comparison would be pretty boring, wouldn't it?
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Replying to: backy (Sep 19, 2009 12:10 pm) Assembling parts made in third world hell holes is not the same as manufacturing a complete vehicle. Last I read the F150 is the highest American content vehicle at 85%. I am sure you are aware that the Camry hybrids are only assembled here. The San Antonio Tundra plant is proof Toyota makes mistakes in their planning. So the answer to your quip is, Yes Toyota does Stupid things. In this case it is an empty shell that has not created the jobs Toyota promised the people of Tupelo. And the tax payers in that state are stuck with big promises and no revenue. You will get to poke me back if VW does not live up to their promises in TN.
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