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Replying to: jpeters1970 (Aug 11, 2009 8:23 am) Keep in mind that VW still made a profit the first half of the year. They have not had a loss as Toyota did with their poor calculation of the market. I would rather buy from a profitable company than one that is losing money. GM's crazy claims for the Volt are so out of touch with reality. If I owned one it would cost me about 35 cents per KWH. So charging a 16 KWH battery would be about $5.60 per night. If I owned a Golf TDI or as you a Prius I could go about 98 miles at the current price of gas or diesel. The Volt has a 40 mile range on battery only. So when gas gets to $6 per gallon the Volt will be a break even deal. That does not take into consideration the electric keeps going higher as you use more. So during the AC months it could go even higher.
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Replying to: gagrice (Aug 11, 2009 11:18 am) If you're paying 35 cents per KWhr, then a plug in electric car isn't for you. however, for the average american, they'll be paying $ 1.60 to charge that 16KWh battery (is that what it is?). That's equivalent to getting about 70mpg.
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Replying to: moparbad (Aug 11, 2009 11:05 am) Gagrice: Sad to say you're right. The Volt will be a flop. Honda's Insight is too much like a Prius in looks. I sat in one and saw how cheap it was. It still has IMA and is NOT a full hybrid. One the 2010 Prius came out the Insight sales took a nose dive. The 2010 Prius puts mine to shame in terms of content. I love gadgets and when you load that sucker up you never will get tired of the gizmos. I absolutely LOVE the Ford Fusion Hybrid and am very tempted to put that on my shopping list in the next few years. Lastly, if VW had Honda reliability I'd be very tempted. Nothing against diesels at all. I just have had it with VW. I LOVE the BWM 330D but it is out of my price range. That is probably the best of both worlds. Great power, fantastic handling and last but not least, phenomenal mileage. Sorry to say, I have not seen ONE on the road yet. Doesn't seem like diesels are making any inroads. Sad.
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Replying to: jpeters1970 (Aug 11, 2009 7:43 pm) |
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Replying to: jpeters1970 (Aug 11, 2009 7:43 pm) All anecdote and no data. Hearsay is untrustworthy. The truth finally is provided that you own a Prius and have an chip on your shoulder against VW. Please share the data from your "search engine". What is the quantifiable difference in reliability between VW TDI and Prius?
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Replying to: moparbad (Aug 12, 2009 7:30 am) Is there a way to quantify obnoxious because if there is you win the prize based on your recent posts poohpoohing every fact presented by a forum member here. Untrustworthy, hearsay? Have you ever heard of JD Powers and Consumers Report and did you ever notice the stellar rankings of most VWs? Naah, I didn't think so! Long term reliabilty VW TDI rankings is non-existent because it is a recent vehicle. To claim that the existing VW Jetta TDI is as reliable as a Prius (backed with over a decade of survey results) because there is not enough survey results for the Jetta is just plain DUMB and I think you are smart enough to know that  . By the way have you noticed how stellar the VW TDI reliability rankings are for their prior generation models. Naah, I didn't think so too! Based on the consistently lousy results of most VWs in almost every reliability sruvery there is a very good likelihood that the VW Jetta TDI is one humungous  A chip on my shoulder? I guess that is exactly what you would say. 
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Replying to: jpeters1970 (Aug 11, 2009 7:43 pm) I just sold my 07 BMW 335i and I am glad I got rid of that piece of #!%!%&&  !!!!! After 32 months of BMW 335i ownership I went 32 times to the dealership for various malfunctions and problems some of them recurring. I had a lousy sales experience. Lousy service experiences. A lousy car and even when I tried to sell my car to the dealership I got a shoddy reception (fortunately I sold my BMW335 privately and got a good resale value) If I was offered a diesel BMW 335d with a 80 percent price discount I would still say no. That is not to say every single BMW is a lemon but for me it was a bit too close and personal and I will never get a BMW ever again. Life is too short for aggravations. If you are happy with the dependability of Toyotas and Hondas then stick to them .I took a risk and I truly regret it. In my humble opinion German cars were once the best in the world--I still own a 83 MB 300 Diesel . Today that is a different story and I would only buy a German car if it was top ranked in long term reliability statistics as the 83 MB 300D once was. Currently I love my 2010 Prius and cant think of any other car I would rather drive. This car is the best of the best engineering available today. What more can a driver want? The driving dynamics of a BMW 335i? Thanks but no thanks. |
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Replying to: dewey (Aug 13, 2009 5:08 am) Obnoxious is anecdotal postings of "my BMW is crap and all BMW's are crap because I had a problem with a BMW, stay away from BMW lemons" type of material that you and others post without any type of objectivity. You have not posted one relevant quantifiable fact about reliability of Prius or TDI. JD Power data has shown that the difference between Toyota reliability and VW is 1.3 problems per vehicle. Consumer Reports has listed both Jetta and Golf TDI as recommended and same with Prius. CR has listed reliability of Jetta TDI as better than average. Using "suck" and "lemon" and "humungous" (LOL, y'all use sophisticated words) is colorful though completely lacking any value other than entertainment. If someone is considering a purchase of a vehicle and they are concerned about reliability, they want to know how many and what type of problems would be expected. For example, a 2001 Golf TDI had known problems with window regulators and MAF sensors, both of which are corrected with revised components and both of which were covered by VW even after warranty as they recognized the problem. |
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