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#40 of 791 Re: July 2009 sales [gagrice]
Aug 11, 2009 (8:23 am)
There may be a waiting list but the limited quantities available will not be anything comparable to the highly successful Prius. It seems GM is trying to take some headlines now releasing information on their Volt's mileage claim of 230 MPG. Interesting how they claim it will cost 40 cents a day to charge. They base their claim on 5 cents per KW. Not sure when/where electric is that cheap. Typical GM showmanship. Getting back to Toyota. Their quality did slip but no where near the basement that VW is in with respect to their quality. Just do a search on VW reliability and you'll see what I mean.
#41 of 791 Re: July 2009 sales [jpeters1970]
Aug 11, 2009 (11:05 am)
I did a search jpeters and all I found was opinion and anecdotal whining.
Looking forward to reading about some real data. Or perhaps there is no basis for the "suck" comments.
#42 of 791 Re: July 2009 sales [jpeters1970]
Aug 11, 2009 (11:18 am)
I do agree the Volt is likely to be a flop. Then so is the new Honda Insight & the Toy/Lex hybrids other than the Prius. Prius hit a segment like myself looking for high mileage in a usable vehicle. I myself came close to buying the original Prius the month they hit the market. If you remember the last shortage of Prius in the USA when gas came close to $5. Our resident Toyota Salesman pointed out that the dollar made it less profitable to sell the Prius here vs Japan or other world markets. The same thing goes for VW TDIs that are built in Europe and not here or Mexico. I believe all the diesel engines are still built in Europe. With 50-70% of all VW sales being diesel it makes it tough to supply our country that has yet to accept diesel as they have everywhere else.
Keep in mind that VW still made a profit the first half of the year. They have not had a loss as Toyota did with their poor calculation of the market. I would rather buy from a profitable company than one that is losing money.
GM's crazy claims for the Volt are so out of touch with reality. If I owned one it would cost me about 35 cents per KWH. So charging a 16 KWH battery would be about $5.60 per night. If I owned a Golf TDI or as you a Prius I could go about 98 miles at the current price of gas or diesel. The Volt has a 40 mile range on battery only. So when gas gets to $6 per gallon the Volt will be a break even deal. That does not take into consideration the electric keeps going higher as you use more. So during the AC months it could go even higher.
#43 of 791 35 cents per KWh? [gagrice]
Aug 11, 2009 (5:05 pm)
Wow. 35 cents per KWhr? I gather you don't live in the US. That's a very high rate. The average in the US is below 10 cents per KWhr. Places like CA and New England are ~12 cents. Wyoming is under 6 cents.
If you're paying 35 cents per KWhr, then a plug in electric car isn't for you.
however, for the average american, they'll be paying $ 1.60 to charge that 16KWh battery (is that what it is?). That's equivalent to getting about 70mpg.
#44 of 791 Re: July 2009 sales [moparbad]
Aug 11, 2009 (7:43 pm)
You must be using a lousy search engine. Try starting with consumer reports. Ahh but no.. if it isn't in your favor then it MUST be wrong. I've owned 4 VW products in the last five years. To me, that is proof enough. I've had the Prius for six years (almost) and NO un scheduled trips to the dealer. I love it.
Sad to say you're right. The Volt will be a flop. Honda's Insight is too much like a Prius in looks. I sat in one and saw how cheap it was. It still has IMA and is NOT a full hybrid. One the 2010 Prius came out the Insight sales took a nose dive. The 2010 Prius puts mine to shame in terms of content. I love gadgets and when you load that sucker up you never will get tired of the gizmos. I absolutely LOVE the Ford Fusion Hybrid and am very tempted to put that on my shopping list in the next few years.
Lastly, if VW had Honda reliability I'd be very tempted. Nothing against diesels at all. I just have had it with VW. I LOVE the BWM 330D but it is out of my price range. That is probably the best of both worlds. Great power, fantastic handling and last but not least, phenomenal mileage. Sorry to say, I have not seen ONE on the road yet. Doesn't seem like diesels are making any inroads. Sad.
#45 of 791 Re: 35 cents per KWh? [morey000]
Aug 11, 2009 (7:56 pm)
Better look close at your bill. I have mine in my hand. In CA the rate is a little over 12 cents for the first 342 KWHs per month. Then it goes crazy. When you get to 586 KWHs the rate is just under 35 cents per hour plus applicable taxes. So an EV will be added on to the rest of your usage. Making it in California about $5.60 to charge fully. That is about 20 MPG. When Cap n Trade is added expect that to go up another 25-50%.
#46 of 791 Re: July 2009 sales [jpeters1970]
Aug 11, 2009 (8:02 pm)
I agree the Ford Fusion hybrid is tempting. My choice for BMW is the X5 35D. I loved driving that rig. I know I would get tickets. It was so much faster than my Sequoia. Handles like a sports car. I am sorry to hear you had so much trouble with VW. That will turn a person off for sure. I would feel the same way.
#47 of 791 Anecdotal Experience [jpeters1970]
Aug 12, 2009 (7:30 am)
I've owned 4 VW products in the last five years. To me, that is proof enough. I've had the Prius for six years (almost) and NO un scheduled trips to the dealer. I love it.
All anecdote and no data. Hearsay is untrustworthy. The truth finally is provided that you own a Prius and have an chip on your shoulder against VW.
Please share the data from your "search engine".
What is the quantifiable difference in reliability between VW TDI and Prius?
#48 of 791 Re: Anecdotal Experience [moparbad]
Aug 13, 2009 (5:08 am)
Is there a way to quantify obnoxious because if there is you win the prize based on your recent posts poohpoohing every fact presented by a forum member here. Untrustworthy, hearsay? Have you ever heard of JD Powers and Consumers Report and did you ever notice the stellar rankings of most VWs? Naah, I didn't think so!
Long term reliabilty VW TDI rankings is non-existent because it is a recent vehicle. To claim that the existing VW Jetta TDI is as reliable as a Prius (backed with over a decade of survey results) because there is not enough survey results for the Jetta is just plain DUMB and I think you are smart enough to know that .
By the way have you noticed how stellar the VW TDI reliability rankings are for their prior generation models. Naah, I didn't think so too!
Based on the consistently lousy results of most VWs in almost every reliability sruvery there is a very good likelihood that the VW Jetta TDI is one humungous
A chip on my shoulder? I guess that is exactly what you would say.
#49 of 791 Re: July 2009 sales [jpeters1970]
Aug 13, 2009 (6:48 am)
LOVE the BWM 330D but it is out of my price range.
I just sold my 07 BMW 335i and I am glad I got rid of that piece of #!%!%&&!!!!!
After 32 months of BMW 335i ownership I went 32 times to the dealership for various malfunctions and problems some of them recurring. I had a lousy sales experience. Lousy service experiences. A lousy car and even when I tried to sell my car to the dealership I got a shoddy reception (fortunately I sold my BMW335 privately and got a good resale value)
If I was offered a diesel BMW 335d with a 80 percent price discount I would still say no.
That is not to say every single BMW is a lemon but for me it was a bit too close and personal and I will never get a BMW ever again. Life is too short for aggravations.
If you are happy with the dependability of Toyotas and Hondas then stick to them .I took a risk and I truly regret it. In my humble opinion German cars were once the best in the world--I still own a 83 MB 300 Diesel . Today that is a different story and I would only buy a German car if it was top ranked in long term reliability statistics as the 83 MB 300D once was.
Currently I love my 2010 Prius and cant think of any other car I would rather drive. This car is the best of the best engineering available today. What more can a driver want? The driving dynamics of a BMW 335i? Thanks but no thanks.