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#38 of 791 Re: July 2009 sales [jpeters1970]
Aug 10, 2009 (7:36 pm)
Not sure how close you follow these trends. Toyota reliability started slipping in 2007 and VW keeps getting better. There are many aspects of a vehicle that are more important than reliability for me. Handling & braking being way out in front.
They are not keeping up with the demand for the Jetta TDI which outsells the Prius world wide. The only reason the Prius is successful in the US and Japan is the limited choices. They cannot give a Prius away in the EU. Toyota builds diesels for all other countries except the USA. You like the Prius that is great. My experience is mostly negative with the 09 Prius I have ridden in.
I am sure there will be a waiting list for the Golf TDI when it arrives next month. Problem is the US dollar being nearly worthless is not able to draw quality cars. So we get the dregs from Japan, Korea and Germany.
#39 of 791 Re: July 2009 sales [jpeters1970]
Aug 11, 2009 (7:53 am)
As to reliability. VW reliability sucks but has been improving lately
Does your statement have any meaning in terms of real world data? Quantify the difference in reliability between a VW TDI and a Toyota Prius.
#40 of 791 Re: July 2009 sales [gagrice]
Aug 11, 2009 (8:23 am)
There may be a waiting list but the limited quantities available will not be anything comparable to the highly successful Prius. It seems GM is trying to take some headlines now releasing information on their Volt's mileage claim of 230 MPG. Interesting how they claim it will cost 40 cents a day to charge. They base their claim on 5 cents per KW. Not sure when/where electric is that cheap. Typical GM showmanship. Getting back to Toyota. Their quality did slip but no where near the basement that VW is in with respect to their quality. Just do a search on VW reliability and you'll see what I mean.
#41 of 791 Re: July 2009 sales [jpeters1970]
Aug 11, 2009 (11:05 am)
I did a search jpeters and all I found was opinion and anecdotal whining.
Looking forward to reading about some real data. Or perhaps there is no basis for the "suck" comments.
#42 of 791 Re: July 2009 sales [jpeters1970]
Aug 11, 2009 (11:18 am)
I do agree the Volt is likely to be a flop. Then so is the new Honda Insight & the Toy/Lex hybrids other than the Prius. Prius hit a segment like myself looking for high mileage in a usable vehicle. I myself came close to buying the original Prius the month they hit the market. If you remember the last shortage of Prius in the USA when gas came close to $5. Our resident Toyota Salesman pointed out that the dollar made it less profitable to sell the Prius here vs Japan or other world markets. The same thing goes for VW TDIs that are built in Europe and not here or Mexico. I believe all the diesel engines are still built in Europe. With 50-70% of all VW sales being diesel it makes it tough to supply our country that has yet to accept diesel as they have everywhere else.
Keep in mind that VW still made a profit the first half of the year. They have not had a loss as Toyota did with their poor calculation of the market. I would rather buy from a profitable company than one that is losing money.
GM's crazy claims for the Volt are so out of touch with reality. If I owned one it would cost me about 35 cents per KWH. So charging a 16 KWH battery would be about $5.60 per night. If I owned a Golf TDI or as you a Prius I could go about 98 miles at the current price of gas or diesel. The Volt has a 40 mile range on battery only. So when gas gets to $6 per gallon the Volt will be a break even deal. That does not take into consideration the electric keeps going higher as you use more. So during the AC months it could go even higher.
#43 of 791 35 cents per KWh? [gagrice]
Aug 11, 2009 (5:05 pm)
Wow. 35 cents per KWhr? I gather you don't live in the US. That's a very high rate. The average in the US is below 10 cents per KWhr. Places like CA and New England are ~12 cents. Wyoming is under 6 cents.
If you're paying 35 cents per KWhr, then a plug in electric car isn't for you.
however, for the average american, they'll be paying $ 1.60 to charge that 16KWh battery (is that what it is?). That's equivalent to getting about 70mpg.
#44 of 791 Re: July 2009 sales [moparbad]
Aug 11, 2009 (7:43 pm)
You must be using a lousy search engine. Try starting with consumer reports. Ahh but no.. if it isn't in your favor then it MUST be wrong. I've owned 4 VW products in the last five years. To me, that is proof enough. I've had the Prius for six years (almost) and NO un scheduled trips to the dealer. I love it.
Sad to say you're right. The Volt will be a flop. Honda's Insight is too much like a Prius in looks. I sat in one and saw how cheap it was. It still has IMA and is NOT a full hybrid. One the 2010 Prius came out the Insight sales took a nose dive. The 2010 Prius puts mine to shame in terms of content. I love gadgets and when you load that sucker up you never will get tired of the gizmos. I absolutely LOVE the Ford Fusion Hybrid and am very tempted to put that on my shopping list in the next few years.
Lastly, if VW had Honda reliability I'd be very tempted. Nothing against diesels at all. I just have had it with VW. I LOVE the BWM 330D but it is out of my price range. That is probably the best of both worlds. Great power, fantastic handling and last but not least, phenomenal mileage. Sorry to say, I have not seen ONE on the road yet. Doesn't seem like diesels are making any inroads. Sad.
#45 of 791 Re: 35 cents per KWh? [morey000]
Aug 11, 2009 (7:56 pm)
Better look close at your bill. I have mine in my hand. In CA the rate is a little over 12 cents for the first 342 KWHs per month. Then it goes crazy. When you get to 586 KWHs the rate is just under 35 cents per hour plus applicable taxes. So an EV will be added on to the rest of your usage. Making it in California about $5.60 to charge fully. That is about 20 MPG. When Cap n Trade is added expect that to go up another 25-50%.
#46 of 791 Re: July 2009 sales [jpeters1970]
Aug 11, 2009 (8:02 pm)
I agree the Ford Fusion hybrid is tempting. My choice for BMW is the X5 35D. I loved driving that rig. I know I would get tickets. It was so much faster than my Sequoia. Handles like a sports car. I am sorry to hear you had so much trouble with VW. That will turn a person off for sure. I would feel the same way.
#47 of 791 Anecdotal Experience [jpeters1970]
Aug 12, 2009 (7:30 am)
I've owned 4 VW products in the last five years. To me, that is proof enough. I've had the Prius for six years (almost) and NO un scheduled trips to the dealer. I love it.
All anecdote and no data. Hearsay is untrustworthy. The truth finally is provided that you own a Prius and have an chip on your shoulder against VW.
Please share the data from your "search engine".
What is the quantifiable difference in reliability between VW TDI and Prius?