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Toyota Prius vs VW Golf TDI

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Re: July 2009 sales [bwilson4web] by moparbad
Aug 04, 2009 (9:18 am)
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Replying to: bwilson4web (Aug 03, 2009 8:07 pm)

30% of ALL of VW's sales are diesel for July.
Are 30% of all of Toyota's sales hybrids?
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Re: JD Power [jpeters1970] by bhill2
Aug 04, 2009 (11:50 am)
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Replying to: jpeters1970 (Jul 03, 2009 9:22 pm)

Since there isn't stringent regulation with respect to bio-diesel
 
I think that you have the secret there. To be fair, I can't blame manufacturers for not wanting to warrant an engine that has been run on biodiesel of unknown quality. We have to set some standards for the actual content of the fuel (limitations on impurities, minimum cetane rating and so on), put a certification process in place, and then require manufacturers to honor warranties if the car is run on fuel from a certified source.
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. by thammer62
Aug 07, 2009 (6:43 am)
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Prius vs. the world !!! - Cagematch Live on PPV Saturday night!!
 
The first responder in this thread gave a very unbiased, excellent post on the positives of each choice. Extremely well spoken and helpful. Then Prius guy shows up with his brass knuckles on and nearly ruins the thread.
 
Relax Prius guy, all diesel guy is trying to do is get an efficient car - just like you have. Support a guy trying to be environmentally friendly just like yourself instead of having the mindset of "Well if you don't own a Prius like I do, you are inferior and less intellegent". Wow this country would be awful boring with nothing but Prius's driving down the street. Bad thought there.
 
If Prius guy makes it a point to knock diesel or electric guy, he is being detrimental to the overall cause of our country poluting less and become less reliant on foreign oil. Go ahead and rip Hummer H2 owner in flat terrain Miami getting 9mpg. But support a guy trying to buy a compact diesel that is good for the planet - just like your beloved hybrid.
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Re: July 2009 sales [moparbad] by jpeters1970
Aug 07, 2009 (5:02 pm)
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Replying to: moparbad (Aug 04, 2009 9:18 am)

VW sales are miniscule compared to Toyota's so it is not a good comparison. The Prius seems to be doing quite well. I'm so happy I can scream!!!!!!!!
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Re: July 2009 sales [jpeters1970] by gagrice
Aug 08, 2009 (4:49 am)
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Replying to: jpeters1970 (Aug 07, 2009 5:02 pm)

How do you figure? VW sold 3.1 million vehicles first half. Toyota 3.5 million. VW sold over 50% diesel. What percentage of Toyota sales world wide are hybrids? The only reason VW does not have a large footprint in the US is very well placed lobby money by the other automakers, environmental groups and the oil companies that support those groups. Oil Companies do not want to sacrifice gas sales to diesel cars. Follow the money. The Prius is an ok choice, when you have no other high mileage choice. The Jetta Sportswagen TDI beats the Prius in all but two points of the dozen I can think of. As was pointed out, it would be nice if we could all appreciate the advantages offered by any vehicle that is environmentally friendly. The only thing the Golf TDI will give up to the Prius will be cargo space.
 
Highway mileage cruising speed limit 70 MPH = VW TDI
City mileage = Prius
Cargo space = Sportswagen
Acceleration = VW TDI
cornering = VW TDI
emissions = Prius?
braking = VW TDI
Comfort = VW TDI
Ride = VW TDI
Cabin Noise level = VW TDI
Crosswind handling = VW TDI
Interior quality = VW TDI
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Re: July 2009 sales [gagrice] by jpeters1970
Aug 10, 2009 (7:19 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Aug 08, 2009 4:49 am)

I am referring to VW sales in the US. Toyota demolishes them in this regard. As to reliability. VW reliability sucks but has been improving lately. As to mileage. well the Prius wins on all counts. Many independent tests have been conducted and where the Prius really shines is in city mileage as compared to the TDI. The way things seem to be headed it appears that electric cars or hybrids are where manufacturers seem to be investing their R & D. I just read about the Nissan Leaf that looks very promising!! Americans will not embrace diesels. There are a few die hards but their numbers are small. WItness the success of the Prius. Heck, they can't even keep up with the demand for the 2010. The TDI is an also ran. Sorry to burst your bubble.
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Re: July 2009 sales [jpeters1970] by gagrice
Aug 10, 2009 (7:36 pm)
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Replying to: jpeters1970 (Aug 10, 2009 7:19 pm)

Not sure how close you follow these trends. Toyota reliability started slipping in 2007 and VW keeps getting better. There are many aspects of a vehicle that are more important than reliability for me. Handling & braking being way out in front.
 
They are not keeping up with the demand for the Jetta TDI which outsells the Prius world wide. The only reason the Prius is successful in the US and Japan is the limited choices. They cannot give a Prius away in the EU. Toyota builds diesels for all other countries except the USA. You like the Prius that is great. My experience is mostly negative with the 09 Prius I have ridden in.
 
I am sure there will be a waiting list for the Golf TDI when it arrives next month. Problem is the US dollar being nearly worthless is not able to draw quality cars. So we get the dregs from Japan, Korea and Germany.
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Re: July 2009 sales [jpeters1970] by moparbad
Aug 11, 2009 (7:53 am)
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Replying to: jpeters1970 (Aug 10, 2009 7:19 pm)

As to reliability. VW reliability sucks but has been improving lately
 
Does your statement have any meaning in terms of real world data? Quantify the difference in reliability between a VW TDI and a Toyota Prius.
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Re: July 2009 sales [gagrice] by jpeters1970
Aug 11, 2009 (8:23 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Aug 10, 2009 7:36 pm)

There may be a waiting list but the limited quantities available will not be anything comparable to the highly successful Prius. It seems GM is trying to take some headlines now releasing information on their Volt's mileage claim of 230 MPG. Interesting how they claim it will cost 40 cents a day to charge. They base their claim on 5 cents per KW. Not sure when/where electric is that cheap. Typical GM showmanship. Getting back to Toyota. Their quality did slip but no where near the basement that VW is in with respect to their quality. Just do a search on VW reliability and you'll see what I mean.
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Re: July 2009 sales [jpeters1970] by moparbad
Aug 11, 2009 (11:05 am)
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Replying to: jpeters1970 (Aug 11, 2009 8:23 am)

I did a search jpeters and all I found was opinion and anecdotal whining.
 
Looking forward to reading about some real data. Or perhaps there is no basis for the "suck" comments.

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