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Re: Expensive Choices [jpeters1970]
by mike91326
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Jun 25, 2009 (12:05 pm)
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Replying to: jpeters1970 (Jun 25, 2009 4:53 am)
Based on the last few JD Power's reports, I'd give Hyundai a good look. If they bring over the Elantra diesel next year it would be a good choice.
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Re: JD Power [petl]
by jpeters1970
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Jun 25, 2009 (2:00 pm)
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Replying to: petl (Jun 25, 2009 4:55 am)
Thanks for that information. It means absolutely nothing because 90 days is really not enough time to gauge whether a vehicle will last over its life expectancy. Bottom line is that MOST cars today are very reliable. The TDI does not scare me, however I'd prefer the Bimmer 330D even though it is a lot more money. That car taken care of properly will outlive me! Heck my best friend's Mercedes Diesels are still going strong since 1981!!!!! Unfortunately the car manufacturers don't seem to be advertising that diesel is CLEAN these days. The TDI commercial is cute but it's not going to make it mainstream like the hybrids are now.
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Re: JD Power [jpeters1970]
by jejohns1
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Jul 01, 2009 (11:53 am)
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Replying to: jpeters1970 (Jun 25, 2009 2:00 pm)
Plus a diesel engine can run on 100% bio-diesel fuel, B100. If only the manufactures would warranty bio-fuel with their engines, currently they only warranty up to B5 (5% bio-diesel). Why is this important? The gasoline-electric hybrid still relies on fossil fuel petroleum, which we have to import (national security implications) and adds CO2 to the atmosphere. But a 100% bio-diesel can be grown domestically (making farmers happy), and would add no additional CO2 to the atmosphere because the plant used to make the bio-diesel absorbs CO2 while it grows and makes its plant oils, which are then made into bio-diesel which releases the same CO2 back into the atmosphere, in effect net zero CO2 (actually less because not all of the plant is used to make the bio-diesel). You can't get that with a gasoline-electric hybrid. Plus the toxic chemicals and metals used to make the battery are not very environmentally friendly. The bio-diesel on the other hand is non-toxic!
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Re: JD Power [jejohns1]
by jpeters1970
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Jul 03, 2009 (9:22 pm)
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Replying to: jejohns1 (Jul 01, 2009 11:53 am)
Since there isn't stringent regulation with respect to bio-diesel you're not going to see manufacturers embrace it in their new new car warranties. I have no doubt that diesel engines run fine on it, it's just that I would not want to chance using it and then have to make a warranty claim in the unlikely event of an engine problem. Car manufacturers are notorious for trying to find loopholes out of their obligations especially when the repair becomes expensive.
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July 2009 sales
by bwilson4web
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Aug 03, 2009 (8:07 pm)
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July 2009 sales are in:
24,295 Toyota hybrids, up 19.3%
VW all sales, 20,590, up 0.7%, and 6,320 diesels
Ford sales are up 1.6%
Prius is in the top 10 model sales for July. The free market whispered in July, "Prius," which thundered through the halls of VW. Even Ford got a taste thanks to their hybrids.
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Re: July 2009 sales [bwilson4web]
by moparbad
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Aug 04, 2009 (9:18 am)
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Replying to: bwilson4web (Aug 03, 2009 8:07 pm)
30% of ALL of VW's sales are diesel for July.
Are 30% of all of Toyota's sales hybrids?
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Re: JD Power [jpeters1970]
by bhill2
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Aug 04, 2009 (11:50 am)
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Replying to: jpeters1970 (Jul 03, 2009 9:22 pm)
Since there isn't stringent regulation with respect to bio-diesel
I think that you have the secret there. To be fair, I can't blame manufacturers for not wanting to warrant an engine that has been run on biodiesel of unknown quality. We have to set some standards for the actual content of the fuel (limitations on impurities, minimum cetane rating and so on), put a certification process in place, and then require manufacturers to honor warranties if the car is run on fuel from a certified source.
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by thammer62
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Aug 07, 2009 (6:43 am)
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Prius vs. the world !!! - Cagematch Live on PPV Saturday night!!
The first responder in this thread gave a very unbiased, excellent post on the positives of each choice. Extremely well spoken and helpful. Then Prius guy shows up with his brass knuckles on and nearly ruins the thread.
Relax Prius guy, all diesel guy is trying to do is get an efficient car - just like you have. Support a guy trying to be environmentally friendly just like yourself instead of having the mindset of "Well if you don't own a Prius like I do, you are inferior and less intellegent". Wow this country would be awful boring with nothing but Prius's driving down the street. Bad thought there.
If Prius guy makes it a point to knock diesel or electric guy, he is being detrimental to the overall cause of our country poluting less and become less reliant on foreign oil. Go ahead and rip Hummer H2 owner in flat terrain Miami getting 9mpg. But support a guy trying to buy a compact diesel that is good for the planet - just like your beloved hybrid.
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Re: July 2009 sales [moparbad]
by jpeters1970
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Aug 07, 2009 (5:02 pm)
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Replying to: moparbad (Aug 04, 2009 9:18 am)
VW sales are miniscule compared to Toyota's so it is not a good comparison. The Prius seems to be doing quite well. I'm so happy I can scream!!!!!!!!
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Re: July 2009 sales [jpeters1970]
by gagrice
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Aug 08, 2009 (4:49 am)
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Replying to: jpeters1970 (Aug 07, 2009 5:02 pm)
How do you figure? VW sold 3.1 million vehicles first half. Toyota 3.5 million. VW sold over 50% diesel. What percentage of Toyota sales world wide are hybrids? The only reason VW does not have a large footprint in the US is very well placed lobby money by the other automakers, environmental groups and the oil companies that support those groups. Oil Companies do not want to sacrifice gas sales to diesel cars. Follow the money. The Prius is an ok choice, when you have no other high mileage choice. The Jetta Sportswagen TDI beats the Prius in all but two points of the dozen I can think of. As was pointed out, it would be nice if we could all appreciate the advantages offered by any vehicle that is environmentally friendly. The only thing the Golf TDI will give up to the Prius will be cargo space.
Highway mileage cruising speed limit 70 MPH = VW TDI
City mileage = Prius
Cargo space = Sportswagen
Acceleration = VW TDI
cornering = VW TDI
emissions = Prius?
braking = VW TDI
Comfort = VW TDI
Ride = VW TDI
Cabin Noise level = VW TDI
Crosswind handling = VW TDI
Interior quality = VW TDI
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