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Toyota Prius, Volkswagen Golf, Diesel, Hybrid Cars, Hatchback, Sedan
#259 of 791 Re: Golf TDI is the better car [kdhspyder]
Sep 10, 2009 (9:05 am)
More TDI's are sold (worldwide) than Prius. It is not even close. Toyota sells more diesels worldwide than Prius. Prius is not even the # 1 sales volume in U.S.A. for Toyota. It is not even #2. It is not even important enough to warrant building it in North America.
If sales volume is so important to your perspective, why not drive a Corolla, it outsells the Prius. Or why not the Focus, it outsells the Prius so it must be superior to Prius.
What is the reliability difference between the 2010 Prius and 2010 Golf TDI? Or the 2009 Prius vs. the 2009 Jetta TDI?
You must have some data to back up your statement, or is it just your opinion based on anecdotal experience?
#260 of 791 Re: Golf TDI is the better car [moparbad]
Sep 10, 2009 (9:24 am)
It's not valid because Edmunds did a comparo of an outgoing model the 2009 that was designed in 2001/02 to the more up-to-date Jetta. When the new 2010 Prius arrived 45 days later the prior comparo was made moot. I called Edmunds out on that issue when it presented the original comparo.
They may have as well compared the 09 Jetta to the 2001 Prius, also an outdated model.
#261 of 791 Re: Golf TDI is the better car [moparbad]
Sep 10, 2009 (9:35 am)
This discussion is between NA models nothing else.
Regarding reliability, unfortunately VW's past reputation has to be disproven before it gets the benefit of the doubt; c.f. Hyundai which is in the midst of accomplishing that goal. The Toyota hybrids are always among the most reliable vehicles on the road, the Prius being the most reliable vehicle in its class. That reputation has to be disproven also.
Corolla vs Prius? Again this thread and this discussion concerns only the Golf ( and Jetta by association ) and the Prius. Nothing else.
#262 of 791 Re: D4D for me Re: . [dewey]
Sep 10, 2009 (10:53 am)
..."Apparently the smoking gun is not there. "...
The poster that made reference to it, clearly said it was removed.
..."Based on existing documents the Prius remains KING"...
Judging by the sales of Ford Focus/ Toyota Corolla/ Honda Civic and many others in the segment, and the relative lower sales of the Prius, evidently an overwhelming majority of folks (those who pull the trigger anyway) think other wise. The cost per mile driven (over all) seems to be the "king".
That is even with the 3,500/4,500 so called "Cash For Clunkers" recent give away program, where Focus,Corolla, Civic, out did the Prius. It barely topped the Camry. If more folks were more convinced of the "value added" for the Prius and were put off by its higher price, surely $-3,500/-4,500 OFF/discount would be a PRIUS deal MAKER !!??
#263 of 791 Re: Golf TDI is the better car [moparbad]
Sep 10, 2009 (10:59 am)
Where are you seeing the Prius mpg being challenged?
Where? How about today's posts. Guiness Book of World Records and the post regarding the missing document that proves that the relative MPG advantage of a Prius is not as large as documented.
#264 of 791 Re: D4D for me Re: . [ruking1]
Sep 10, 2009 (11:01 am)
Judging by the sales of Corolla/Civic and many others in the segment,
King of MPG or sales volume?
You do know the difference between sales volumes and MPG?
The poster that made reference to it, clearly said it was removed
And as I said the smoking gun is not there. How more clearer do you want me to write this?
#265 of 791 Re: Golf TDI is the better car [kdhspyder]
Sep 10, 2009 (11:04 am)
VW sales are pitiful in USA mainly because Americans are very well informed with regards to reliability. Hyundai's first step towards its success was its focus on reliability.
#266 of 791 Re: D4D for me Re: . [dewey]
Sep 10, 2009 (11:05 am)
"You do know the difference between sales volumes and MPG? "
Now whose doing a dumb impression?
#267 of 791 Re: D4D for me Re: . [ruking1]
Sep 10, 2009 (11:09 am)
I'll take a new 2010 Golf TDI over a Prius. Just sayin'.
#268 of 791 Re: D4D for me Re: . [ruking1]
Sep 10, 2009 (11:09 am)
I dont know did I say you were dumb?
Your post was focused on sales volume? What the heck has that got to do with the King of MPG in terms of what is offered by the big auto makers ?