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#218 of 791 Re: D4D for me Re: . [moparbad]
Sep 09, 2009 (2:51 pm)
Interesting alternate viewpoint on the Motorweek / Car.com three day sojorun...
"We found the Prius, in the end, offered a really top-notch interior, a peppy ride and great mileage," said Patrick Olsen, editor-in-chief of Cars.com. "There were several close competitors, but the Prius's new look and frugal ways won us over."
The full report airs on MotorWeek episode 2902. Here are the results of the MotorWeek and Cars.com Power & Economy Drive by the numbers:
Car Type .......................... Drive mpg .... EPA mpg
--- ---- ....................................--------- -------
1. 2010 Toyota Prius hybrid .......................... 49.2 ... 50.0
2. 2010 Honda Insight hybrid........................ 40.5 ... 41.0
3. 2010 Audi A3 TDI diesel............................38.2 ... 34.0
4. 2009 Volkswagen Jetta TDI diesel............36.2 ... 34.0
5. 2009 Smart ForTwo gasoline powered.....35.3 ... 36.0
6. 2010 Ford Fusion Hybrid hybrid ............. 32.9 ... 39.0
Here's the link...MotorWeek TV and Cars.com Feature Fuel Economy Face-Off
Same trip, same company, somewhat different perspective...
#219 of 791 Re: The conclusion [gagrice]
Sep 09, 2009 (3:07 pm)
No it's just about statistics.. No valid conclusion can be drawn from self-submitted evaluations. Very little can be estimated by anything less than about 1100 entries. In statistics these 1000-1100 entries have to be chosen at random so as not to skew the results. Self-submitted results are immediately suspect.
Then there's the small number of samples.
My own way to use these reviews would be to throw out the top ten % and the bottom ten % then average the remaining 80%. Top 20% and Bottom 20%?
#220 of 791 Re: Americav[jpeters1970] [moparbad] [jpeters1970]
Sep 09, 2009 (3:30 pm)
However the revenue goes to the shareholders. That's as American as I need it to be.
So, if I... an American... own VW stock, then VW is American? And if a Japanese citizen owns Ford stock, Ford is now Japanese?
#221 of 791 Re: WORLD Car of the Year [jpeters1970]
Sep 09, 2009 (3:50 pm)
Like I said before, the TDI sells in small numbers because Americans don't and will not buy diesels.
Actually, it's because VW intentionally limits the number of TDI sales in the US as so to have enough to meet their European sales targets. Currently, their diesel engine factory does not have the capacity to meet all their projected sales.
#222 of 791 Re: Americav[jpeters1970] [moparbad] [jpeters1970] [gogogodzilla]
Sep 09, 2009 (3:50 pm)
No, not at all. All large corporations like these, along with GM, Toyota, GE, IBM, MSFT, Intel, etc, etc, etc are all international companies. Their profits belong to the shareholders. No country owns these corporations. The shareholders own them.
So yes if more Japanese citizens and banks and funds own MSFT stock than American citizens and banks and funds than MSFT is a 'Japanese-owned' company. That seems pretty obvious.
#223 of 791 Re: Thanks Dewey [jpeters1970]
Sep 09, 2009 (3:52 pm)
Camry vs Accord?!?
What's the difference? A Camcord is a Camcord is a Camcord.
Now compare a Passat vs Mazda6 vs Camcord... that'd be interesting.
#224 of 791 Re: WORLD Car of the Year [gogogodzilla]
Sep 09, 2009 (3:54 pm)
I know where VW could pick up some extra factory capacity for diesel engines, right here in the U.S., and real cheap!
If there were enough demand here, VW would add the capacity for it. Maybe they could build Golf TDIs (using that new U.S. diesel factory) alongside the new mid-sized sedan being built in the States.
#225 of 791 Re: Jetta and Golf? [jpeters1970]
Sep 09, 2009 (3:57 pm)
I couldn't agree with you more. If all the VW crowd has to crow about are good seats then the laugh is sure on them.
Actually, they were just replying to your original assertation that VW seats were crp in the '90s.
BTW: Have you considered the amount of smug your emitting into the atmosphere from your Pious?
#226 of 791 Re: Another Reason for the Prius over the TDI [jpeters1970]
Sep 09, 2009 (4:01 pm)
NY has this new idling law that they enacted (other states must have something similar too). You can get a very steep fine if you idle more than 3 minutes time.
Sweet! I can't wait to see all the lawsuits that will be filed against the state of NY for setting red light times above the 3 minute mark - mandating it's citizenry to violate the state's own laws.
Sep 09, 2009 (4:05 pm)
I heard that the Toyonda Pious can fly faster than light and travel in space! It also has 'ray-guns' to shoot all the evil zombie squirrels that are brainwashing people into drinking the diesel-ade.
That, and it comes with a little robot R2 unit as a rechargeable dog-bot.