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Replying to: jpeters1970 (Jun 24, 2009 12:16 pm) .11 difference, big nothing! Consumer Reports surveys are not credible. CR only surveys it's subscribers. JD Powers data is based on a sampling group free from bias and larger sampling size than CR. There is no evidence of difficulty of use or of maintenance of a urea addition emissions system. |
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Replying to: moparbad (Jun 24, 2009 7:34 pm) I've answered a lot of surveys on my cars over the years and seldom do I get a survey after I have 10,000 miles on my car. Initial quality is a lot easier to achieve than long term durability. My AudiTT didn't act up (electronics) until after 10K. My 350Z did start having problems at 3K but the idiots that owned them never told the truth in surveys. A lot of people had the same problem that I had and yet when I saw surveys it didn't seem like a big deal. The tire wear and noise was unbearable. The numerous visits to the dealer were unforgivable. My experience is people, especially on early surveys, are reporting on the car of their (current) dreams and really are not too critical. I guess they justify to themselves they made a good choice. Statistically you may show VW as a close second to Toyota, but in the real world no one believes it, including many VW owners. |
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Replying to: moparbad (Jun 24, 2009 7:34 pm) If you're a Mopar fan then I can see how you could easily be fooled into thinking VW makes a durable, reliable car.
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Replying to: wvgasguy (Jun 25, 2009 3:33 am)
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JD Power assesses vehicles in 4 categories. 1) Performance and Design: Taken from the Automotive Performance, Execution and Layout (APEAL) study, this measure is based on owner satisfaction with vehicle Performance, Style, Features and Instrument Panel, and Comfort. 2) Initial Quality: Taken from the Initial Quality Study (IQS), which looks at owner-reported problems in the first 90 days of new-vehicle ownership, this score is based on problems that have caused a complete breakdown or malfunction, or where controls or features may work as designed, but are difficult to use or understand. 3) Predicted Reliability: Derived from historical trending for a vehicle and/or manufacturer in our Initial Quality and Vehicle Dependability Studies, Predicted Reliability is a forecast of how reliable a newer vehicle might be over time. 4) Overall Dependability: Taken from the Vehicle Dependability Study (VDS), which looks at owner-reported problems in the first 3 years of new-vehicle ownership, this score is based on problems that have caused a complete breakdown or malfunction of any component, feature, or item (i.e., components that stop working or trim pieces that break or come loose). The most recent JD Power survey was Initial Quality which only looked at the first 90 days of ownership (not long term). There may be a big difference in customer satisfaction between the first 90 day IQ and the 3 year Overall Dependability surveys with a specific vehicle.
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Replying to: jpeters1970 (Jun 25, 2009 4:53 am) |
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Replying to: petl (Jun 25, 2009 4:55 am)
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Replying to: jpeters1970 (Jun 25, 2009 2:00 pm)
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Replying to: jejohns1 (Jul 01, 2009 11:53 am)
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July 2009 sales are in: 24,295 Toyota hybrids, up 19.3% VW all sales, 20,590, up 0.7%, and 6,320 diesels Ford sales are up 1.6% Prius is in the top 10 model sales for July. The free market whispered in July, "Prius," which thundered through the halls of VW. Even Ford got a taste thanks to their hybrids.
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