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Toyota Prius, Volkswagen Golf, Diesel, Hybrid Cars, Hatchback, Sedan
#208 of 791 Re: The conclusion [gagrice]
Sep 09, 2009 (11:14 am)
Sounds very dubious to me. The Prius has been consistently number one for 5 years in a row.
How about some facts like the one based on 425,000 responses from the world's biggest automotive survey :
Consumers Report 2009 Survey
For the fifth year in a row, the gas/electric Toyota Prius hybrid is the top car for owner satisfaction. That's the news from our latest Annual Car Owner Satisfaction Survey, conducted by the Consumer Reports National Research Center. Ninety-three percent of Prius owners who responded said they would definitely buy or lease one again. The Prius was closely followed by the Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (92 percent) and the new Mini Cooper Clubman (91 percent).
A 54.1 MPG on a spreadsheet and an overwhelming love for the Prius as expressed consistently for 5 years in the world's biggest auto survey may not amount to much for you. But then again I wont confuse you with facts.
#209 of 791 Re: The conclusion [kdhspyder]
Sep 09, 2009 (11:27 am)
Hopefully the software will not allow that to happen. However I think it is better than the crap we get from a select few zealots that subscribe to CR. So are you saying the supposed Prius owners lied back in 2005 when the rating was at 9.4? I think these two posts say it best about the 2010 Prius.
Well what can you say. The seats are not comfortable, the ride is numb and disconnected from the road, wind/road noise is at a premium, very jittery over any type of non-smooth pavement. However, going green is the way to go. We need more of these types of cars only with better execution...
I've owned this 2010 Prius IV for 1500 miles. I've been getting 55-60mpg mixed city and highway. That's about the nicest thing you can say about this car. For the $29k I paid, I expected a LOT more. A mazda3 or a civic and a big gas bill would have been a much better value. The brakes are ridiculous. If you go over a pothole, you're going to lose all braking power for about 3 seconds. For a car with traction control and electronic brake distribution this is simply unacceptable. In power mode the car drives well and has some spunk. Normal and Eco modes are just nanny modes that deaden the accelerator. Thanks, but I know how to drive and like to accelerate without having to floor it.
Both gave the Prius high marks for Mileage. With the lowest marks for fun to drive. That is the difference between the two cars being debated. Prius has lots of gizmos for the geek with great mileage. The Golf TDI has driver comfort, performance, mileage and handling for the person that really enjoys driving. Should make the choice easy if people really know what they like.
#210 of 791 Re: The conclusion [gagrice]
Sep 09, 2009 (11:46 am)
Oh c'mon you cant be serious
Opinions of two people conveys the truth about a Prius.
Kydsyder, John and myself as a population alone outweighs the opinion of these two disgruntled people.
There are hundreds of thousands of Prius owners and yes oh yes you will be able to find a few disgruntled owners among them if you search hard enough. Unfortunately the majority of them are the most satisfied auto owners for the last five years. PERIOD!!!
Golf comfort? Not on the rear seat. Unless you ofcourse you find subcompact comfortable.
Golf TDI perormance and handling? Oh Puhleeeze. This econobox is a far cry from any performance vehicle.
Golf Mileage? Subpar when compared to the Prius
The one advantage about the Golf is that any celebrity would be embarassed to be seen in one. I find the celebrity cachet of the Prius as somewhat annoying since I am a low profile person myself.
#211 of 791 Re: The conclusion [dewey]
Sep 09, 2009 (11:47 am)
So you are telling me when you get a survey from less than on tenth of one percent of car owners in the USA it is somehow valid? And when you add the fact that people that read that rag are biased with preconceived notions about what is good and what is not good. I subscribed and got screwed following their advice in the 1960s. I won't allow them to sway me ever again. You will never convince me that the big DONATIONS from companies like Toyota do not play into their advice.
So just how many Prius owners responded. And how many unhappy Prius owners canceled their subscription to CR for being led astray?
Let's look at the CR report from a scientific angle. For the sake of argument let's say you have 10,000 Camry owners and only 89% would buy another Camry. You have 500 Prius owners with 93% saying they would buy again. Does that make the Prius more popular by some stretch of the imagination? I like my Sequoia in some ways. I would not buy another one because of the PP service from the dealer. Just too many variables to give that 93% any kind of credibility.
#212 of 791 Re: The conclusion [gagrice]
Sep 09, 2009 (11:52 am)
Apparently the only thing that will convince you is a car that does not use California gasoline and has tons and tons of ooomph to climb moutains.
Two highly irrelevant issues here in flat Ontario Canada but highly releveant in the spot where Priuses tend to be most popular: Califronia
#213 of 791 Re: The conclusion [dewey]
Sep 09, 2009 (12:27 pm)
I would guess most CA Prius rarely leave the level cities in the Los Angeles basin and the Bay area. They do fine on smooth freeways in stop and go driving. You hit the nail on the head. I will not buy another gas powered car. Maybe electric if we get a break on our high priced electricity or put in Solar. More than likely just keep what I got and grumble about the crappy gas. In reality CA has neutered the diesels to try and keep them out. They were successful keeping the Honda diesel out of the market here. Now Honda has nothing to compete with Toyota and Ford. The Honda hybrids are not that great and trouble prone. With only a handful of us diehards that like VW diesels it could be we are headed into the dark ages. Maybe every Prius will come with a robot to drive people around. They would look natural in a Prius.
#214 of 791 Re: The conclusion [gagrice]
Sep 09, 2009 (1:49 pm)
Well anyways Gagrice I myself may end up buying a VW Golf TDI in the future. I own a 83 MB300D and I lived with diesels for almost three decades. But I also love my Prius and I dont think that is a contradiction.
I just like playing Devil's Advocate and I hope I wasn't too snarky with my last posts. The VW Golf just won the World Car of the Year Award and that in itself says a lot.
The robot driving the Prius almost exists today with self-park, lane change warning system and those sensors/radar to prevent accidents. Soon there will be no need for a robot.
#215 of 791 Re: The conclusion [gagrice]
Sep 09, 2009 (1:53 pm)
Hmmm...I didn't realize that SF was so flat LOL. For what it is worth, my twin brother loves the Prius (doesn't own one, but will some day) because of its great gas mileage and room for adults in the rear seat. I, on the other hand, would likely favor the Golf diesel (test drove a BMW 335d) because of the combination of fuel economy, torque, and that diesels are offered in some cars that are entertaining to drive. Neither of us is "wrong" our choices are driven (pardon the pun) by what we expect/value in our car and the driving experience.
#216 of 791 A Prius and Golf TDI in the same garage
Sep 09, 2009 (2:26 pm)
Dewey I would not see a contradiction if you owned a Prius and a Hummer. Each has its own strong values. If there are two drivers in a family that both put on a lot of miles why not have a Prius and a Golf TDI. One of my best friends just moved to Maui and took his 2009 Prius with him. It is a great car for that Island. 55 MPH strongly enforced and mostly level driving. Add to that the high price of gas and the Prius is a winner. The Golf TDI would also be wonderful on Maui as they have a great supply of B100 biodiesel. There is a group of celebs that drive diesel cars and PU trucks on the best alternative fuel available.
Hmmm...I didn't realize that SF was so flat LOL
OK, I forgot about downtown SF. I wonder if a Prius would be able to make it up some of those very steep streets when it rains. I know many have complained about the traction control leaving them stuck in snow and slick surfaces. The VW Passat TDI that I owned had a switch to give full driving control to the driver. A Big Plus.
Sep 09, 2009 (2:27 pm)
I'll just give my two cents worth. Never owned a Prius or Golf but I did own an '05 Jetta TDI. I loved driving it and it seemed to be high quality. We drove it twice from home (FL) to CA. Broke down both times. First time was close to home and we made it home in a black cloud of smoke. Stuck EGR. Took 4 days to get the part. Second time it broke down in rural AZ on I-10 on Saturday of a holiday weekend. Burst coolant connection. We spent 3 days in a motel waiting for the dealer to open and repair it. When we finally arrived home we traded it. Enough