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#189 of 791 Opinions are good.
Sep 08, 2009 (7:26 pm)
This whole battery issue is an irrelevant bogey man issue dreamt up here in this forum
Hardly. Every magazine article about the hybrids and especially the Prius questioned the longevity of the traction battery. The price from Toyota has come down over the last 5 years from over $5000 to somewhere between $2000 and $3000. Until we see them last 10 years without replacement the question still looms. That is over 4 years from now. And just for your information on my trip to Victoria BC a couple years ago I talked to a Prius Taxi driver. He told me there had been batteries replaced by Toyota. We don't know as they don't tell.
In fact owning a Prius long term provides more piece of mind than any modern VW diesel today.
Your piece of mind, not mine. I drive some roads that have high winds with people in Prius inching along to keep from being blown off the road. The Prius is a fine car for a flatlander in an urban setting. If given a Prius I would trade it while it has good resale value. They are noisy little rough riding cars that don't handle worth a hoot.
Performance and handling are subject to where you plan to drive. If you want super performance and handling I think the 335D would satisfy all but the Porsche crowd. If you just like tooling around in mountain winding roads as I do the Golf TDI should be a dandy option.
You can also have ultimate utility, excellent handling and performance in a BMW X5 diesel. And get better mileage on the road than most CamCords. There are options to cover a lot more of the consumers needs than are offered for sale in the USA.
#190 of 791 Re: D4D for me Re: . [dewey]
Sep 08, 2009 (7:32 pm)
quote -Best-in-class gas mileage helped, but our goal was to find the car that best suited everyday driving, and Prius never made any of us want to go for a spin.-end
Best suited to everyday driving is not testing for top notch performance.
The shocker is that you interpret a test of high mileage vehicles as a measure of performance. I agree that driving dynamics are important and unlike Prius drivers I refuse to dismiss driving dynamics.
TDI #1, TDI #2, Fusion Hybrid #3 is not a shocker either. The only area that Prius is a winner is in overall mileage. Prius is a compromise in every other area and is not a winner for everyday driving.
dewey So let me get this straight here.
We got a group of auto enthusiast testers testing a car for its driving dynamics and performance and they dont like the Prius too much.
Aint that a shocker.
If I ever buy a performance car it will have no fuel efficiency pretensions just like my fuel miser Prius has no performance car pretensions.
quotePrius never made any of us want to go for a spin.-end
#191 of 791 Re: D4D for me Re: . [moparbad]
Sep 08, 2009 (7:52 pm)
Prius never made any of us want to go for a spin.
That is the absolute gospel. I have gone several times to lunch with a friend that has a 2009 Prius. He loves it. Then his other vehicle is a Toyota Tacoma. So he had no real reference of what rides and drives nicely. It was always a pleasure to get out of that car and back into my Lexus or Sequoia. Neither of which I would consider great vehicles. Finding a compromise between great mileage and fun driving will always end up with a German vehicle. I have high hopes for the 2010 Golf. Sadly we may not get the Golf GTD with the high performance 2.0L Diesel engine. America land of the clunkers.
#192 of 791 REAL-WORLD DATA
Sep 08, 2009 (8:32 pm)
09-09-09 IS MY 9-YEAR PRIUS ANNIVERSARY
Here's my real-world data for those 3 generations I owned during that time, combined:
184,852 MILES total
3,924.4 GALLONS total
47.1 MPG overall
Let's see an automatic non-hybrid diesel do that.
SHOW ME THE DATA.
Sep 08, 2009 (9:13 pm)
I think the verdict on this generation of diesel's reliability has to be reserved for the future. There is US only technology that is being deployed by traditionally overcomplicated European manufacturers- There are many potential problem areas that older diesels simply don't have.
#194 of 791 3 in 9 years Re: REAL-WORLD DATA [john1701a]
Sep 09, 2009 (2:43 am)
3 Prius in 9 years. Wow, they don't last long do they.
If would have driven a diesel TDI it would have delivered 40 mpg plus and at only 185,000 miles it would still have years of life left.
Sep 09, 2009 (4:22 am)
184,852 miles of some really boring driving. What good is 47 mpg if you can't have some fun driving?
Say it with me Prius guy:
The Golf TDI is fun to drive (or at least more fun to drive than Prius).
The Golf TDI is fuel efficient (just not as fuel efficient as a Prius).
The Golf TDI has character (just like the Prius has character - just diff styles).
The Golf TDI is good for the environment (much more so than a gasser).
And I, diesel guy, admit the following with ease:
The Prius is very fuel efficient (the most fuel efficient car in this segment).
The Prius has a great reliability record (impressive tech that lasts, well done 'Yota).
The Prius is very good for the environment (plus, green = good community points).
The Prius does not handle very well, nor is it really designed to handle well.
Can everyone agree these above items are true? I know why each side hates the other but lets agree on these. This is my last ditch effort at reasoning with Prius guy. Make me proud Prius guy.
#196 of 791 Re: . [thammer62]
Sep 09, 2009 (4:31 am)
i'm with you, thammer. on toyota's payroll for sure. behaving as if there is no viable option other than the prius.
#197 of 791 Re: 3 in 9 years Re: REAL-WORLD DATA [moparbad]
Sep 09, 2009 (5:40 am)
> they don't last long do they.
Do you honestly anyone is actually going to believe that?
The dealer paid decent $$$ for the trade-in.
They were my contribution to the used market. So, someone who wasn't looking for a new model had something available to buy.
#198 of 791 Re: . [thammer62]
Sep 09, 2009 (5:43 am)
> The Golf TDI is...
Notice how each claim is vague.
Not quantifying is a common greenwashing technique.
Let's see actual numbers.
Again, SHOW ME THE DATA.