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531 messages, Last post on Dec 03, 2009 at 5:29 PM
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Replying to: dewey (Sep 08, 2009 10:58 am) Just to clarify a couple things. The 2nd generation Prius that included MY 2004 to 2009 did not arrive here till October 2003. So those models have been here less than 6 years. The first model Prius sold here was 2001-2003. Very few of those were sold. They did have battery issues. None of the 2nd generation have reached their 10 year battery warranty, mandated by CARB rules. So we do not know how they will do over the long haul. If they are still going after 15 years with no big expenses I would agree on their longevity. That said, the real beauty of the VW TDI is longevity. With many owners keeping their diesels 10-20 even 30 or more years. I see diesel Rabbits and Dashers on Craigslist on a regular basis.
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Replying to: thammer62 (Sep 08, 2009 5:46 am) great city and hwy mileage, ...TRUE low poluter, ...TRUE "green" supporter, ...TRUE odd handling and looks, ...TRUE very reliable, ...TRUE expensive battery replacement cost ...unequivically FALSE. The batteries never need to be replaced. For hundreds of thousands of NA drivers the cost is $0 in nearly every case...however in isolated cases the cost may range from $200 to $2599 which is hardly 'expensive'. and mostly unknown used car value after said battery dies. again unequivically FALSE. Since the batteries appear to be living as long as the engine and body with noone actually knowing how far above 250,000 miles the batteries will go, they essentially will last the life of the vehicle with no replacement. Thus this is a moot point. What is absolutely certain now after 8 years here is that the Prius holds its value far better than any other ICE-only vehicle mass-marketed in similar volumes, gasoline or diesel.
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Edmunds put this thread in the forums to bring out TDI advocates and Prius advocates and throw them into the same room together to generate visits, comments, discussion and hits on their website. This isn't a diesel-only thread nor a hybrid-only thread. It's put out there by Edmunds to create confrontations between two strongly-held viewpoints. All that can be said is...'to each their own, both positions are right'....just keep it factual. |
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Sep 08, 2009 3:28 pm) http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/cto/1362482016.html http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/cto/1358339500.html http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/cto/1358248000.html
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Replying to: gagrice (Sep 08, 2009 4:19 pm) http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/cto/1358524627.html Or even better, how about a 1976 Corolla for $3650? That is about what I paid for a '76 Corolla new--talk about holding value! http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/cto/1354937022.html
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Sep 08, 2009 3:28 pm) What is absolutely certain now after 8 years here is that the Prius holds its value far better than any other ICE-only vehicle mass-marketed in similar volumes, gasoline or diesel. KBB private party value is higher for 2001 VW Golf TDI $5965 than for 2001 Toyota Prius $5335 with mileage of 150,000 used for both computations. MSRP when new Prius $22000 VW Golf GLS TDI $17400 Golf TDI has superior retained value and lower initial cost. It is absolutely certain that your statement is incorrect. Diesel wins the retained value. |
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Replying to: backy (Sep 08, 2009 4:35 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Sep 08, 2009 5:01 pm) So pretty much a non-differentiator then, eh? |
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Replying to: gagrice (Sep 08, 2009 1:07 pm) And what is the replacement cost of these batteries.? Minimal especially when compared to the cost of replacing my 1999 BMW's 323i's Air Bag ICU. This whole battery issue is an irrelevant bogey man issue dreamt up here in this forum Oh and by the way do you know how the future generation of diesels will do? These low emission diesels do involve far more complex electronics than my 83 MB 300D or that Diesel VW Dasher you found on Craiglist. Believe me longetivity of 30 years with these new generation diesels are likely to be far more different than those grandfather diesels we see on the roads today. What do you think VW repair costs will be like if those electronics related to low emission begin to malfunction? Nope not a pretty thought indeed. In fact owning a Prius long term provides more piece of mind than any modern VW diesel today. |
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Replying to: moparbad (Sep 08, 2009 11:30 am) We got a group of auto enthusiast testers testing a car for its driving dynamics and performance and they dont like the Prius too much. Aint that a shocker. If I ever buy a performance car it will have no fuel efficiency pretensions just like my fuel miser Prius has no performance car pretensions. I want either fuel efficiency or performance. But not both. Why compromise? Owning a top notch performance car and a fuel miser is not a contradiction since both cars offer the best of both worlds. A TDI in itself is neither a top notch performance car or a fuel miser. It's just a compromise. A Prius is the "Real McCoy" in terms of fuel misers.
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