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#179 of 791 Re: . [dewey] by gagrice

Sep 08, 2009 (2:07 pm)

Replying to: dewey (Sep 08, 2009 11:58 am)
Debating the merits of Prius and Golf TDI can be enjoyable. However their are diesel haters that lurk on this site. They attack posters off site that they do not agree with. Probably teenagers that somehow sneak past the folks here at Edmund's.
 
Just to clarify a couple things. The 2nd generation Prius that included MY 2004 to 2009 did not arrive here till October 2003. So those models have been here less than 6 years. The first model Prius sold here was 2001-2003. Very few of those were sold. They did have battery issues. None of the 2nd generation have reached their 10 year battery warranty, mandated by CARB rules. So we do not know how they will do over the long haul. If they are still going after 15 years with no big expenses I would agree on their longevity.
 
That said, the real beauty of the VW TDI is longevity. With many owners keeping their diesels 10-20 even 30 or more years. I see diesel Rabbits and Dashers on Craigslist on a regular basis.

#180 of 791 Re: . [thammer62] by kdhspyder

Sep 08, 2009 (4:28 pm)

Replying to: thammer62 (Sep 08, 2009 6:46 am)
Prius=
great city and hwy mileage, ...TRUE
low poluter, ...TRUE
"green" supporter, ...TRUE
odd handling and looks, ...TRUE
very reliable, ...TRUE
expensive battery replacement cost ...unequivically FALSE. The batteries never need to be replaced. For hundreds of thousands of NA drivers the cost is $0 in nearly every case...however in isolated cases the cost may range from $200 to $2599 which is hardly 'expensive'.
and mostly unknown used car value after said battery dies. again unequivically FALSE. Since the batteries appear to be living as long as the engine and body with noone actually knowing how far above 250,000 miles the batteries will go, they essentially will last the life of the vehicle with no replacement. Thus this is a moot point.
 
What is absolutely certain now after 8 years here is that the Prius holds its value far better than any other ICE-only vehicle mass-marketed in similar volumes, gasoline or diesel.
 

#181 of 791 Why the touchy hurt feelings? by kdhspyder

Sep 08, 2009 (4:37 pm)

Edmunds put this thread in the forums to bring out TDI advocates and Prius advocates and throw them into the same room together to generate visits, comments, discussion and hits on their website.
 
This isn't a diesel-only thread nor a hybrid-only thread. It's put out there by Edmunds to create confrontations between two strongly-held viewpoints.
 
All that can be said is...'to each their own, both positions are right'....just keep it factual.

#182 of 791 Re: . [kdhspyder] by gagrice

Sep 08, 2009 (5:19 pm)

Replying to: kdhspyder (Sep 08, 2009 4:28 pm)
If a Prius still brings $3500 to $5500 when it is 26 years old I will be a believer. These are common in my area. They usually sell fast. Especially the PU Rabbit diesels. The only PU ever sold that gets an honest 50 MPG.
 
http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/cto/1362482016.html
 
http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/cto/1358339500.html
 
http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/cto/1358248000.html

#183 of 791 Re: . [gagrice] by backy

Sep 08, 2009 (5:35 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Sep 08, 2009 5:19 pm)
How about a 25-year-old Corolla for $5000? Given how much more a 2010 Prius costs compared to a new 1985 Corolla, a 26-year-old Prius should easily fetch over $5000.
 
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/cto/1358524627.html
 
Or even better, how about a 1976 Corolla for $3650? That is about what I paid for a '76 Corolla new--talk about holding value!
 
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/cto/1354937022.html

#184 of 791 Diesel superior retained value Re: . [kdhspyder] by moparbad

Sep 08, 2009 (5:37 pm)

Replying to: kdhspyder (Sep 08, 2009 4:28 pm)
It is absolutely certain that your statement is incorrect.
 
What is absolutely certain now after 8 years here is that the Prius holds its value far better than any other ICE-only vehicle mass-marketed in similar volumes, gasoline or diesel.
 
KBB private party value is higher for 2001 VW Golf TDI $5965 than for 2001 Toyota Prius $5335 with mileage of 150,000 used for both computations.
 
MSRP when new
 
Prius $22000
 
VW Golf GLS TDI $17400
 
Golf TDI has superior retained value and lower initial cost.
 
It is absolutely certain that your statement is incorrect.
 
Diesel wins the retained value.

#185 of 791 Re: . [backy] by gagrice

Sep 08, 2009 (6:01 pm)

Replying to: backy (Sep 08, 2009 5:35 pm)
What the older Corolla has in common with the older VWs is simplicity. The overly complex Prius will have long since gone to the crusher. New Vehicles do go lots of miles before they are worn out. They are designed for obsolescence before they reach a ripe old age. I would seriously doubt we will see many 2010 Golfs still running around in 2030. Too much crap to go bad and cost more to fix than is practical.

#186 of 791 Re: . [gagrice] by backy

Sep 08, 2009 (6:21 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Sep 08, 2009 6:01 pm)
I would seriously doubt we will see many 2010 Golfs still running around in 2030.
 
So pretty much a non-differentiator then, eh?

#187 of 791 Re: . [gagrice] by dewey

Sep 08, 2009 (7:37 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Sep 08, 2009 2:07 pm)
As I had previously pointed out battery issues with a Prius are non-issues. If they are an issue beyond rare instances then please let me know the facts because I would be glad to hear them.
 
And what is the replacement cost of these batteries.? Minimal especially when compared to the cost of replacing my 1999 BMW's 323i's Air Bag ICU.
 
This whole battery issue is an irrelevant bogey man issue dreamt up here in this forum
 
Oh and by the way do you know how the future generation of diesels will do? These low emission diesels do involve far more complex electronics than my 83 MB 300D or that Diesel VW Dasher you found on Craiglist. Believe me longetivity of 30 years with these new generation diesels are likely to be far more different than those grandfather diesels we see on the roads today. What do you think VW repair costs will be like if those electronics related to low emission begin to malfunction? Nope not a pretty thought indeed.
 
In fact owning a Prius long term provides more piece of mind than any modern VW diesel today.
 

#188 of 791 Re: D4D for me Re: . [moparbad] by dewey

Sep 08, 2009 (7:44 pm)

Replying to: moparbad (Sep 08, 2009 12:30 pm)
So let me get this straight here.
 
We got a group of auto enthusiast testers testing a car for its driving dynamics and performance and they dont like the Prius too much.
 
Aint that a shocker.
 
If I ever buy a performance car it will have no fuel efficiency pretensions just like my fuel miser Prius has no performance car pretensions.
 
I want either fuel efficiency or performance. But not both. Why compromise? Owning a top notch performance car and a fuel miser is not a contradiction since both cars offer the best of both worlds. A TDI in itself is neither a top notch performance car or a fuel miser. It's just a compromise. A Prius is the "Real McCoy" in terms of fuel misers.
 
 

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