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Toyota Prius vs VW Golf TDI

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#168 of 531
Re: toyota Diesel [banditboy] by diezelha
Sep 07, 2009 (12:29 pm)
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Replying to: banditboy (Sep 07, 2009 4:23 am)

Unfortunately they won't because market research shows that it would not sell here. I am kinda surprised that they wouldn't even take a chance, but I guess it would erode their hybrids sales if it was successful. I own an old Mercedes diesel (mid 80's) and a 2005 Prius. The Merc just won't die but I haven't the heart to retire it.
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. by thammer62
Sep 08, 2009 (5:46 am)
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Prius= great city and hwy mileage, low poluter, "green" supporter, odd handling and looks, very reliable, expensive battery replacement cost and mostly unknown used car value after said battery dies
 
Golf tdi = great hwy mileage and impressive torque, good city mpg, fun to drive on a daily basis, decent looking, not the best reliability track record, high resale value
 
There is my on topic comparison. Merely my opinion. Sorry for offending prius owners earlier.
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Re: . [thammer62] by marlyece
Sep 08, 2009 (6:05 am)
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Replying to: thammer62 (Sep 08, 2009 5:46 am)

i'm with you thammer62 although the reliability should be much improved. we'll see. there were those issues with the false neutral ALTHOUGH it was a simple fix and they seemed to have resolved that for the '10 lineup.
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Re: . [thammer62] by dewey
Sep 08, 2009 (7:38 am)
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Replying to: thammer62 (Sep 08, 2009 5:46 am)

Regarding expensive battery replacement costs:
 
Vancouver has various taxi companies that used Priuses for the last 10 years and here's the shocker despite hundreds of thousands of miles of driving there has been no reported battery replacement. NONE! A larger number of Vancouver taxis are becoming Priuses because of this battery reliability.
 
I drive a 83 MB300D. A while ago in Europe many MB diesels were like mine because of their low long term costs. The same applies to the Prius in Vancouver.
 
Battery replacement costs is more of a worry than a fact since batteries in Priuses are hardly ever replaced unlike expensive V6 transmission on various Honda/Acura vehicles
 
Unknown resale values if the battery dies? Indeed! But when does that happen? Sort of like saying unknown resale values for a Golf when the transmission dies (which ofcourse is not more frequent than other models)
 
 All future resale values are unknown. But based on past figures it's been over 10 years now and Prius resale values at least here in Canada are doing quite well. And if I am not mistaken USA has had the Prius for over 10 years and I am sure resale values are not unknown or are not atrocious when compared to other cars.
 
So let me rephrase the comparison:
 
Golf tdi = great hwy mileage and impressive torque, good city mpg, fun to drive on a daily basis, decent looking, terrible and almost consistently bad reliability ratings, high resale value > How long has VW been making cars? How long does it take this company to figure how to make reliable cars? To say that the new VWs are different in terms of reliability is like saying all politicans are different because they are far more honest now. VW has a multi-decade history of building sub-par cars. The fact that one or two VW models have a recently good reliability ratings means nothing until we find out their 3 to 5 years ratings.
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Prius= great city and hwy mileage, low poluter,, odd handling and looks, very reliable, great technology in terms of its drivetrain, highly space efficient interior. No masochistic torture for a fifth rear seat passenger like what is experienced in a Golf/Jetta.
 
Green supporter? I am not a green supporter at all and I dont mean to offend mother nature by saying so. Why am I driving a Prius? I love the technology that this car has. And what makes the Prius so attractive is its reliablity as a high technology car. Very few high tech cars are reliable especially among the German Marques. I love the engineering involved in terms of its focus on fuel efficiency. I love the fact that this car will consume less fuel from countries that are hostile to our democracies. . I love this car because no other car company can make a car like a Prius. NONE!
 
Have you noticed all the press releases from every major car company in the world these past five years. How they are going to introduce Prius beaters ? Even VW these past many years expressed their desire to build hybrids. But why the great delay? Because every auto maker knows they cant make a Prius beater no matter how hard they try. That is a lesson that was learned by Honda with its Insight.
#172 of 531
. by thammer62
Sep 08, 2009 (9:29 am)
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I give up, and I will just agree. The Prius is the greatest car ever. Moving on, I am.
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Re: . [thammer62] by marlyece
Sep 08, 2009 (10:20 am)
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Replying to: thammer62 (Sep 08, 2009 9:29 am)

no kidding, it's as if these toyota fanatics knit the prius in their womb. very attached to it we are, aren't we? i'm over it too. so much for a normal debate.
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Re: . [marlyece] by dewey
Sep 08, 2009 (10:58 am)
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Replying to: marlyece (Sep 08, 2009 10:20 am)

A Toyota fanatic?
 
Knit the Prius to my womb?
 
Wow talk about a normal debate here.
 
Apparently you are not even capable of raising one single factual point to debate with regards to my last post and I guess that is why you have to resort to such low-brow prissy respones.
 
I was hoping someone here would find many flaws with my arguments so this debate can continue. But apparently that is not the case. Thanks for making it sooo easy.
 
HINT: there is a flaw in my statement below:
 
I drive a 83 MB300D. A while ago in Europe many MB diesels were like mine because of their low long term costs. The same applies to the Prius in Vancouver.
 
What I really meant was that many European taxis were like my MB300D just like many Vanouver taxis are like my Prius. Both cars share one thing in common: Low long term maintenace costs.
 
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Re: . [dewey] by marlyece
Sep 08, 2009 (11:30 am)
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Replying to: dewey (Sep 08, 2009 10:58 am)

looks like you are debating yourself here because i think the prius is the most fantastic car on the planet and there is no other like it. it goes 0-60 in 2 seconds and is exceptionally comfortable. it performs amazingly in the slolem test, too! unparalleled handling! oh and the battery will never cease, forgot to mention that attribute. all hail the PRIUS!
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D4D for me Re: . [thammer62] by moparbad
Sep 08, 2009 (11:30 am)
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Replying to: thammer62 (Sep 08, 2009 9:29 am)

Prius is a worthy contender for folks seeking to maximize fuel mileage. It's just not for me. Responsive handling, great ergonomics and interior quality, good reliability and excellent mileage are all provided by VW TDI. Fun to drive with great mileage and value.
 
Automotive enthusiasts seem to feel the same way about Prius that I do, it is technologically interesting, however, a TDI is the one they prefer to drive.
  
Hybrids, Diesels and a Smart

First place TDI
 
Fourth place Prius

 
I'm no Toyota hater nor am I a VW fanatic.
HiLux diesel is a vehicle that is #1 in it's class IMHO.
HiLux D4D is rated at 28 mpg. If only Toyota would offer it's wonderful D4D engines in Tacoma and in other Toyota vehicles.
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Re: D4D for me Re: . [moparbad] by marlyece
Sep 08, 2009 (11:43 am)
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Replying to: moparbad (Sep 08, 2009 11:30 am)

yep, the demand is really high for the golf. i doubt they'll be able to keep any in the lots. all the critics are in agreement too and would take the golf over the prius any day. i'm a HUGE fan of the esp on veedubs and they have exceptional handling. i don't want to be sliding all over icy roads come winter.

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