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Toyota Prius, Volkswagen Golf, Diesel, Hybrid Cars, Hatchback, Sedan
#136 of 791 Re: WORLD Car of the Year [jpeters1970]
Sep 01, 2009 (8:16 pm)
Wasn't that the ad campaign by Toyota. Trade a clunker for a clunker. I was glad to see Hyundai do well. They offer more bang for the dollar than Toyota, Honda or Nissan. I would not include them as competition with the current Jetta TDI. They have nothing that gets close in actual mileage. I don't know about any dealer other than the one closest to me. I know they were selling their Jetta TDI's as soon as they roll off the truck without messing with that goofy C4C. It was just what Toyota needed to get rid of car loads of 2009 Prius and Corollas that they could not sell. If someone wants a Prius here in San Diego they are everywhere still for sale. Take your pick. If you want to spend $30k for a fancy Toyota Echo.
#137 of 791 Re: WORLD Car of the Year [gagrice]
Sep 01, 2009 (8:37 pm)
A Toyota echo? LOL. You are so far off the mark it is not funny. I gather your Lexus is just a glorified Avalon for which you paid double. What person in their right mind would do that? Like I said before, the TDI sells in small numbers because Americans don't and will not buy diesels. The Prius is a testament to the future of all hybrids that will come down the line from other manufacturers. Fortunately VW will not be producing hybrids until they learn how to make a car that is free from electronic gremlins and also learn how to make a transmission that works. That is the reason VW sells so few cars in the states. People want to buy reliable cars which is why Honda and Toyota are doing so well. I'm glad I'm not a VW dealer now!!!
#138 of 791 Re: WORLD Car of the Year [gagrice]
Sep 01, 2009 (8:46 pm)
Hyundai was supposed to bring a diesel stateside but they decided not to because fuel prices lowered and they knew US customers would not buy diesels in large quantities with fuel so low. Maybe if gas goes up to $4.00 we'll have a shot at Hyundai bringing over their diesel. Honda too. Then Americans would have a chance to buy something reliable as opposed to VW lemons. BMW has a great diesel but their maintenance after warranty expiration is too high. Mercedes are over rated and too expensive so they aren't in the running either. Thank goodness we have the reliable Prius with a satisfaction rating of 97%. VW can only dream of numbers like that!!!
Sep 02, 2009 (4:39 am)
I had heard about the snooty Prius attitudes before but never until now experienced it. The few Prius owners I know in person don't spend all day bragging about their choice of automobile. Very normal, open minded people who understand others that choose not to buy a Prius for their individual needs.
JPeters - you my friend can step down off your soap box at any time. I, and everyone else that reads this thread everyday, fully understand that you love your Prius and that you believe it is the best, most fuel efficient automobile on the road. Lots of people agree with you too as sales numbers show. But chill man. Let diesel guy drive his fuel efficient oil burner in peace. Diesel guy is trying to do the right thing buy getting a more evironmentally friendly, fuel efficient car just like you are. Prius guy and Diesel hatchback guy are not that different - do you at all understand this? I wonder if you realize how elitist you sound. Honestly don't mean to sound rude. I just think you should breathe for a moment and open your mind to the idea of a guy trying to buy a fun to drive car that is better for the planet than a R.U.G. automobie. Jiminy Christmas.
#140 of 791 Re: . [thammer62]
Sep 02, 2009 (5:21 am)
But chill man. Let diesel guy drive his fuel efficient oil burner in peace.
I am a recent 2010 Prius owner who doesn't give a damned about these diesel versus hybrid arguments. I am chilled, a bit too chilled to engage in these endless debates because I know I made the right decision.
I think your comment above is very one sided. The diesel folks and the hybrids folks in this forum are not going to leave each others alone in peace because the whole point of this forum is to debate the merits of owning either a VW Golf TDI or a Toyota Prius.
Chill man indeed, but without a bit of a heated debate this forum will no longer be active. Keep up the good work JPeters, Gagrice and all others..
Sep 02, 2009 (7:36 am)
Nothing elitist at all. This is a debating forum which looks at both sides of the equation. When wrong information is spewed it has to be refuted. I'd have the same passion if this were Camaro v Mustang or Camry v Accord etc.
Sep 02, 2009 (11:42 am)
Let's get back to comparing the two cars and drop this ongoing personal beef please.
#143 of 791 no debate anymore
Sep 02, 2009 (11:50 am)
As battery technology continues to improve, not taking advantage of an electric motor makes even less sense. The new Prius and the upcoming plug-ins will provide the real-world proof of that.
Non-Hybrid Diesel will simply fade away as the number of those buying hybrids grows.
Being clean & efficient will include the use of an electric motor, regardless of the fuel used.
#144 of 791 Hybrids consume rare resources Re: no debate anymore [john1701a]
Sep 02, 2009 (12:16 pm)
The Prius hybrid automobile is popular for its fuel efficiency, but its electric motor and battery guzzle rare earth metals, a little-known class of elements found in a wide range of gadgets and consumer goods
As hybrid cars gobble rare metals, shortage looms
Damage to earth to obtain an ever materials for batter production is expanding at an alarming rate.
Jack Lifton, an independent commodities consultant and strategic metals expert, calls the Prius "the biggest user of rare earths of any object in the world."
Prius may be the single most environmentally damaging vehicle.
#145 of 791 Re: no debate anymore [john1701a]
Sep 02, 2009 (12:22 pm)
While I do like the simplicity of an electric car. Our government is making moves that will negate the advantages of EVs or Plug-in Hybrids. With my current provider SDG&E it is difficult to stay out of the top tier pricing for electricity. When you use more than 445 KWHs in a month the rate jumps to 31 cents per KWH topping out at 35 Cents. SDG&E just applied for another price increase today. So who knows where it will end.
The Chevy Volt has gotten a lot of press lately as a great solution. They base their very optimistic figures on 5 cent per KWH night rates. We don't have any night rates. It is all the same. According to my calculations the Chevy Volt will cost about 3 times as much per mile on electric only as your Prius or a Golf TDI. I doubt that any plug in will do any better based on miles per KWH.