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#14 of 791 Re: Toyota Prius vs VW Golf TDI [gagrice]
Jun 02, 2009 (12:50 pm)
There are two. The first has a guy washing his Prius and his neighbor talks about the great mileage to get a 'comic spit' from the Prius owner. Then the Jetta owner brags about the "VARRUUMMM." The second one is similar with the beetle announcer and again talks about the "VARRUUMMM."
Our requirements were to replace my wife's 2001 Echo that was getting long on the tooth. The 2010 Prius came at a good time and excellent price. It is working out great and it has enough room for our E-bike in the bike.
#15 of 791 I'll PASS on the Oil Burner
Jun 22, 2009 (10:21 pm)
If Honda made a TDI, I'd buy it without hesitation. It appears that Honda has abandoned their plans to bring their diesels stateside. I own a 2004 Prius and have never had any issues with unplanned maintenance. With a VW you will definitely have your service advisor's number on speed dial (maybe #2 or #3) I've owned two VW's and two Audi's. Great driving vehicles and HIGH maintenance. Way too many warranty issues and heaven forbid you have to start paying AFTER the warranty expires. The Prius has been a huge hit in this country and rightly so. It is one fantastic vehicle and I love mine. The TDI is very noisy and lots of NVH at idle. Maintenance costs over the first 100k miles will be LOTs cheaper in the Prius. Gotta love that!!
#16 of 791 Re: I'll PASS on the Oil Burner [jpeters1970]
Jun 23, 2009 (5:28 am)
The TDI is very noisy and lots of NVH at idle.
Yes the Prius is much quieter sitting at a stop light than the VW TDI. When you take off and head down the street that all changes. The Prius becomes a rough riding noisy vehicle. The Passat TDI I owned was much quieter on the road than the 2009 Prius I have spent time riding around in. My take is, you spend more time moving than sitting idle, when you are in a vehicle.
#17 of 791 Re: I'll PASS on the Oil Burner [gagrice]
Jun 24, 2009 (5:08 am)
Quite true however one thing is certain and you'll be spending lots more money on repairs and maintenance on a TDI. As to quietness, I spend most of my time cruising at 65 in my Prius and the interior comfort and noise levels are fine. I can carry a conversation and not raise my voice even with the radio on! Those TDI's will never really catch on as much as the hybrids (mainly Toyota have). Oh.. almost forgot. A key to a car's interior quietness is tires. I have these wonderful tires (this is NOT a plug)..heheheh They are Goodyear Tripletreds. Man o' man these tires have transformed my Prius. Rain time is my favorite time with these tires.
#18 of 791 Re: I'll PASS on the Oil Burner [jpeters1970]
Jun 24, 2009 (5:49 am)
Tires do make a huge difference. My friend just has the junk tires Toyota puts on the Prius when new. Our San Diego roads are so rough that you feel every crack and expansion joint when driving along at 35 MPH.
The 2010 Prius is not getting the rave reviews as on the last model. Here is one just posted this month on Edmund's:
Well what can you say. The seats are not comfortable, the ride is numb and disconnected from the road, wind/road noise is at a premium, very jittery over any type of non-smooth pavement. However, going green is the way to go. We need more of these types of cars only with better execution...
Is the 2010 Prius even cheaper built than the last model? I guess the fun factor is subjective. One owner gives it a 10 for fun and another owner a 1 for fun. All give it a 10 for fuel economy. So the Prius is a winner from that aspect.
In San Diego it is easier to find a 2010 Prius than a Jetta TDI. Both should sell well when the clunkers get turned in for $4500.
We are eagerly awaiting the 2010 Golf GTD to arrive.
Jun 24, 2009 (9:10 am)
Actually, you have to put the review into perspective. These hybrids are not sports cars and the mag rags are all about enthusiasm. I am more of an appliance type of guy with respect to my transportation. Most importantly I love the tech. The TDI has no tech like the new Prius does. It is just plain boring to me. I still love my 2004 tech goodies and the fact that only maintenance was oil changes. I have a few friends with VW/Audi's that love their cars but can't stand the high maintenance costs. The Toyota Prius really took off like an explosion once the 2004 model came out. They are so ubiquitous now. I wonder why cab companies aren't switching to diesels. Where I live I actually see Prius cabs. Highlanders too. Must be the fact that the maintenance and reliability of VW is the issue. Too bad. Oh.. and what really stinks (no punn) is that Honda seems to have abandoned their plans to bring a diesel here. So now we only have VW. Not much of choice.
#20 of 791 Re: 2010 Reviews [jpeters1970]
Jun 24, 2009 (9:49 am)
Don't forget Mercedes and BMW are offering very fine diesel cars and SUVs. SUVs being the area that diesel really makes a difference in fossil fuel consumption. There are places like Victoria BC that have lots of Prius as taxi cabs. Not sure why you never see them here in San Diego. NYC Taxi authority did everything in their power to block hybrids. Then they changed when they tried the Escape hybrid. Not sure if any US city uses Prius cabs.
VW has moved up the quality survey as Toyota has fallen down. Hyundai is near the top from close to the bottom. Mercedes has gained ground after shedding their albatross Chrysler.
#21 of 791 Expensive Choices
Jun 24, 2009 (12:16 pm)
The problem with Mercedes and BMW is that their vehicles are expensive. If I were to spend some bucks on a diesel there is only one out there that really would be worthwhile. I can't see why the 335D Bimmer is not flying off the dealer lots. An extraordinary car and the performance is similar to that of a gasser. Only issue is the urea thing that would be a pain to maintain. As to quality, VW has a LONG way to go before they are anywhere near Lexus/Toyota standards. If you're referring to JD Power surveys, I don't really consider those reliable. I tend to focus on surveys that CR puts out.
#22 of 791 Re: Expensive Choices [jpeters1970]
Jun 24, 2009 (7:34 pm)
Toyota average 1.01 problems per vehicle and VW 1.12 problems per vehicle in recent JD Power IQ results.
.11 difference, big nothing!
Consumer Reports surveys are not credible. CR only surveys it's subscribers. JD Powers data is based on a sampling group free from bias and larger sampling size than CR.
There is no evidence of difficulty of use or of maintenance of a urea addition emissions system.
#23 of 791 Re: Expensive Choices [moparbad]
Jun 25, 2009 (3:31 am)
Is that initial quality or over time?
I've answered a lot of surveys on my cars over the years and seldom do I get a survey after I have 10,000 miles on my car. Initial quality is a lot easier to achieve than long term durability.
My AudiTT didn't act up (electronics) until after 10K.
My 350Z did start having problems at 3K but the idiots that owned them never told the truth in surveys. A lot of people had the same problem that I had and yet when I saw surveys it didn't seem like a big deal. The tire wear and noise was unbearable. The numerous visits to the dealer were unforgivable.
My experience is people, especially on early surveys, are reporting on the car of their (current) dreams and really are not too critical. I guess they justify to themselves they made a good choice.
Statistically you may show VW as a close second to Toyota, but in the real world no one believes it, including many VW owners.