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Toyota Prius, Volkswagen Golf, Diesel, Hybrid Cars, Hatchback, Sedan
Sep 01, 2009 (10:05 am)
VW has excellent resale value year after year.
Below is KBB predicted resale value after 5 years ownership for the past two years.
Top 10 Brands: Top 10 Brands:
Best Resale Value 2009 Best Resale Value 2008
1. Honda 44.5 1. Volkswagen 48.1
2. Toyota 42.7 2. BMW 45.6
3. Volkswagen 40.9 3. Acura 45.4
Retained value is an important factor in a vehicle purchase. Knowing that a vehicle will actually be worth something in the future is more important than sales numbers.
VW expects to post a profit this year, Toyota expects to post a loss this year. It must be reassuring to Toyota investors that the following statement was made, jpeters1970 "The Toyota hybrid system is so advanced that Nissan and Ford have licensed the technology in their hybrids. Where is VW on that horizon? No where
What is important is the driving enjoyment obtained from driving a VW TDI that is missing from the boring appliance Prius.
There is some small hope that future vehicles from Toyota will appeal to enthusiasts as Akio Toyoda has stated Toyota must build cars that are fun and affordable. Also of note, Toyoda, 53, described himself as a "car nut" and race driver who loves the feel of a car on the open road.
"I want to see Toyota build cars that are fun and exciting to drive," he said.
I too, would like to see Toyota build cars that are fun and exciting to drive. Imagine a modern day fun to drive Celica with a hybrid powertrain.
I'd rather ride a bicycle than be stuck in a Prius every day.
#126 of 791 Re: WORLD Car of the Year [gagrice]
Sep 01, 2009 (10:28 am)
Wow didn't know anyone would spend that type of money on what is essentially a Toyota with heavy cream. Guess PT Barnum was right. Perhaps you can find a used Phaeton, I understand they can be had for the cheap.
#127 of 791 Re: Value [moparbad]
Sep 01, 2009 (10:34 am)
Actually you're entitled to your opinion but you are sure in the minority. Now excuse me while I load my trek bike into my beautiful hatch Toyota Prius. I would not want to put it in the back of a TDI lest the fumes destroy my chrome. Let's face it guys, diesels are a dying breed in this country. Jeep brought a diesel Liberty over that lasted what? 2 years? Sure they sold, but they were crap. Not one American or Japanese manufacturer will spend their hard earned money on bringing to market a vehicle that won't sell in numbers that will be profitable. Only reason the Germans bring their diesels here is because their R&D is covered by the numbers sold in Europe. Only reason the Europeans drive diesels is because it is considerable cheaper than gas. If gas was 5 bucks a gallon and diesel was 4 (just an example) I'd be forced to drive one of the vibration vehicles too.
Now, I have to go down to my garage and roll out on electric mode (try to keep an fumes from the garage, try doing that in a diesel ). Next, I'll be at my first traffic light in total silence listening to either Howard Stern or NPR. Now, I'll toggle my temp down just a wee (can you do that in a VW on the steering wheel?). I didn't think so. Ahhhhh the joys of owning a Prius.
#128 of 791 Re: Value [jpeters1970]
Sep 01, 2009 (11:04 am)
Next, I'll be at my first traffic light in total silence listening to either Howard Stern or NPR.
That says it all.
Just stay on level ground and out of any crosswinds or slippery surfaces and you should be fine.
Diesel is actually more expensive in some EU countries. They like to add tax to level the playing field for the poor folks stuck with gas cars.
#129 of 791 Re: WORLD Car of the Year [gagrice]
Sep 01, 2009 (6:22 pm)
> With me it goes way beyond just the dislike of the complexity of hybrids.
Yes, you do have to go beyond hybrids. DSG is far more complicated.
All those gears & clutches make a person wonder why arguing against the simplicity of electric-motors and a split-device would even be attempted.
#130 of 791 Re: WORLD Car of the Year [john1701a]
Sep 01, 2009 (6:39 pm)
I'd have to agree with you wholeheartedly. I imagine that the DSG has caused VW lots of headaches with its unneeded complexity. With all the supposed complexities bestowed upon the Prius (and with millions on the road) I wonder why it gets a stellar report card from various sources. VW OTOH does not covet such a pristine service record. And just to make things perfectly clear, they (VW) seem to be the leader in engine design. I wonder if they got an award for their ubiquitous 5 cylinder 2.5 liter engine that struggles to output 150 hp. Talk about ingenuity. This is the reason VW is not selling in the numbers that they would like in the states. Their Microsoft mentality taking pot shots at the Prius (that dumb commercial a few months ago comparing a TDI and the Prius) was shelved due to it not having any impact on sales.
RE: My Prius handles fine in crosswinds, windy roads etc. Tires make a HUGE difference and I changed mine out after 3 months of ownership. My rear passengers are always amazed at the roominess of the rear seats. I'd imagine I'd have to have midgets for friends if I drove a Golf. Have you ever seen that back seat? LOL
#131 of 791 Re: WORLD Car of the Year [jpeters1970]
Sep 01, 2009 (7:12 pm)
I would be embarrassed to invite guests into either one. If we take guests we have vehicles for the occasion. The Lexus for the Opera or dinner and the Sequoia for trips to the desert. I don't believe in one size fits all. The Golf TDI would be for running errands and fun drives in the country. I have never had to change tires on a vehicle before at least 35K miles. Too bad Toyota is so cheap they put crap tires that need to be dumped after 3 months. It was a smart move as they were unsafe at any speed. Very good for sitting at stop lights though.
My guess is the VW 2.5L gas engine was built for the non discriminating US buyer. All they can think of is PZEV and that engine fits their PZEV just fine. I would not have one.
#132 of 791 Re: WORLD Car of the Year [gagrice]
Sep 01, 2009 (7:16 pm)
VW/Audi put the worse tires on and Audi Allroad I had. Worse piece of crap I've ever had! Just like all VWs. JUNK. The tires on my alroad were so bad that I could not drive the car in the rain and it was AWD. How's that for crap? Most manufacturers put cheap rubber on their cars and VW is no exception. As for the opera? Have fun in your Lexus. I'll be taking the Prius which will get more looks of admiration than a belching TDI puttering up to the curb. Can't remember anyone in Hollywood coming to the academy awards in a diesel. LOL!!!
#133 of 791 Re: WORLD Car of the Year [john1701a]
Sep 01, 2009 (7:32 pm)
I think you know the answers. You are just in denial. The Prius has at least a 1/3rd more parts than any comparable non hybrid. The DSG is superior to any other transmission on the market. It is only now being used in low priced vehicles. It is lighter than a conventional automatic transmission and as economical as a manual transmission. It will be my choice as my wife does not want a manual shift.
You should know after 6 years that you are not any more likely to convince me that hybrids are worthwhile, than my convincing you that diesels are the best way to save energy. We are at opposite ends of the political and automotive spectrum.
#134 of 791 Re: WORLD Car of the Year [jpeters1970]
Sep 01, 2009 (7:40 pm)
You missed Darryl Hannah in her diesel running on biodiesel. Something no Prius can do. B100 is renewable. The Prius will not run on any renewable fuel.
The National Biodiesel Board (NBB) recently praised actress Daryl Hannah ("Northfork," "Dancing at the Blue Iguana," "Splash") and rock 'n roll legend Neil Young ("Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young") for helping to bolster awareness of the practicality of biodiesel, the non-toxic biodegradable vehicle fuel that can be manufactured from recycled cooking grease.
This week, Young embarked on his Greendale Tour from Vancouver, British Columbia to Amherst, Massachusetts, fueling his trucks and tour buses with biodiesel.
A Golf TDI running on B100 is environmentally superior to a Prius running E10.