Article Comments - 2009 Mazda 6 First Drive and Full Test

229 messages, Last post on Aug 25, 2008 at 6:33 AM

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First Drive: 2009 Mazda 6 - First Impressions: With most of its major flaws fixed, the 2009 Mazda 6 is easily one of the most impressive sedans in the midsize class. (more)

Full Test: 2009 Mazda 6 s Grand Touring - Bottom Line: Manages to keep some of the zoom-zoom athleticism despite pandering to the Accord/Camry market.(more)

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#190 of 229 C&D test by socal2006 Aug 20, 2008 (4:07 pm)
There's a new article on C&D on the spy shots of the new Mazda 3. In that article they relay that they are disappointed with the new dynamics of the softer new 6. http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/car_shopping/latest_news_reviews/2- 010_mazda_3_spied Seems pretty consistent amongst the print media that Mazda has compromised quite a bit in regards to its zoom-zoom philosophy. This is also in stark contrast to the Euro/JDM spec Mazda 6 which has been called a bit too harsh/sporty by the Euro press. They are used to harsher cars so that shows what direction Mazda went overseas. However, the biggest news in the article about the 2010 Mazda3 is that it may come with the 1.6 L rotary. I find that hard to believe, but an interesting thought for sure. Replies to this message: m6user (Aug 20, 2008 7:44 pm) exit123 (Aug 20, 2008 10:39 pm) aviboy97 (Aug 21, 2008 5:57 am)
#191 of 229 Re: C&D test [socal2006] by m6user Aug 20, 2008 (7:44 pm)
Replying to: socal2006 (Aug 20, 2008 4:07 pm) I don't recall seeing or hearing of a full 09 Mazda6 review by Car & Driver. Does anybody know if they did one?
#192 of 229 Re: C&D test [socal2006] by exit123 Aug 20, 2008 (10:39 pm)
Replying to: socal2006 (Aug 20, 2008 4:07 pm) Doh! I just realized what the folks at Mazda are doing. Make the Mazda6 more like a Altima/Camry/Accord and pick up a small chunk of the huge midsize market. Then ... upsize and improve the hot-selling Mazda3 a little for 2010 (early 2009 release) and pick up the "sporty car" sales. Shazam! Now it all makes sense. Replies to this message: aviboy97 (Aug 21, 2008 5:57 am)
#193 of 229 Re: C&D test [exit123] by aviboy97 Aug 21, 2008 (5:57 am)
Replying to: exit123 (Aug 20, 2008 10:39 pm) I have been saying that for months! Word is the 2010 Mazda3 will be here in Jan/Feb. There will be no 1.6L rotary in the Mazda3. Expect the 2.0L and the 2.5L. The 1.6L rotary is for the next RX vehicle.
#194 of 229 Re: 4-cyl Manual Test. [moparbad] by moveover Aug 21, 2008 (9:21 am)
Replying to: moparbad (Aug 20, 2008 1:59 pm) Jetta is the VW I would compare to the Mazda6, not Passat, and Jetta is less than the Mazda6. Passat is midsize, so it is the correct comparison by class, it does have a significant level of standard equipment the Mazda does not, so buyers are obtaining value for the additional cost. The 6 speed tiptronic in the Passat is a fantastic transmission Maybe 2008 Mazda6 compared to Jetta, but 2009 Mazda6 should be compared to Passat or the CC. Just replaced a 04 Passat B5.5 with a 08 Mazda6 and can tell you they are very similar in size. Will not miss the dash rattles, expensive oil changes, premium gas, peeling soft touch areas, clogged sunroof drains, oil smell in cabin they could not fix. Recalls for fuel lines, seat heaters, brake light switch etc. BTW the Passat uses an ASIN 6 speed tip, as does the 08 Mazda6 S. Not sure what the 09 Mazda6 uses. Many people with 06 Passats did have transmission issues. The best 6 speed transmission is the ZF6 ( 6HP21) in the BMW 335i and now also in the Genesis. Replies to this message: aviboy97 (Aug 21, 2008 9:40 am) moveover (Aug 21, 2008 10:16 am)
#195 of 229 Re: 4-cyl Manual Test. [moparbad] by aviboy97 Aug 21, 2008 (9:35 am)
Replying to: moparbad (Aug 20, 2008 1:59 pm) The Mazda6 is a mid sized, just like the Passat. The Jetta is really a sedan form of the Rabbit which is equal to the Mazda3. What can you get in a Jetta that you cannot in a 08 Mazda6? In terms of resale value, Jetta's have a much better resale then the Passat's do. I can get a Passat for almost the same money as a Jetta at the auctions. Wholesalers also tend to pay the money for Jetta's and there are many times where I take losses on Passat's.
#196 of 229 Re: 4-cyl Manual Test. [moveover] by aviboy97 Aug 21, 2008 (9:40 am)
Replying to: moveover (Aug 21, 2008 9:21 am) The 08 Mazda6 V6 tranny is a Jatco transmission The 09 Mazda6 V6 6-speed is an Aisin unit. Replies to this message: moveover (Aug 21, 2008 10:16 am)
#197 of 229 Re: 4-cyl Manual Test. [aviboy97] by moveover Aug 21, 2008 (10:16 am)
Replying to: aviboy97 (Aug 21, 2008 9:40 am) I stand corrected. I used an overseas database which listed the 08 seperatly, but of course they got the 2nd gen 6 in 08. So the 09 6 V6 and the Passat will both use an Aisin sourced Tip.
#198 of 229 Re: 4-cyl Manual Test. [moparbad] by jeffyscott Aug 21, 2008 (10:47 am)
Replying to: moparbad (Aug 20, 2008 1:59 pm) As far as I'm concerned, all of the "midsize" cars are getting too large. I agree. But they keep upsizing the compacts and then adding a new smaller model, so I think it'll be okay...next time I want a new car I'll probably just go to the compacts. The old 6 was the right size for me, I doubt I will want anything bigger.
#199 of 229 Midsize by moparbad Aug 21, 2008 (2:04 pm)
List of 2009 EPA Midsize Cars Acura RL Bentley Arnage Bentley Continental Flying Spur Buick Lacrosse/Allure Cadillac CTS Cadillac STS Chevrolet Malibu Ford Fusion Hyundai Elantra Jaguar XF Kia Optima Kia Spectra Lincoln MKZ AWD Mazda 6 Mazda Speed 3 Mercedes-Benz E320 Bluetec Mercury Milan Mitsubishi Galant Nissan Maxima Nissan Versa Rolls-Royce Phantom Saturn Astra 4DR Hatchback Saturn Aura Toyota Camry Volkswagen Passat Volvo S80 AWD If size is the benchmark for comparing the 6, then open the floodgates! Replies to this message: m6user (Aug 21, 2008 2:12 pm)