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2010 Honda CR-Z

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Re: Fit Coupe [nippononly] by hpmctorque
Apr 23, 2009 (4:55 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Apr 23, 2009 7:17 am)

My thoughts exactly, but Honda isn't going to give us what we want.
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Re: CRZ V Scirocco [nippononly] by englishpete
Jun 07, 2009 (2:20 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Apr 21, 2009 7:11 am)

Well thought I would let you know I have placed an order for a Scirocco GT TDI 170 this being the latest variant to be offered by VW. It’s the same engine that’s being supplied for the new Golf GTD and is in the Audi TT TDI.
0 to 62 in 8 seconds and 60 to the gallon do we really need hybrids?
The car looks better in the metal. pictures don’t do it justice.
 
Not rubbing salt into the wounds but got fed up with Honda and the lack of information, I think Honda are in deep trouble. They have only just reopened the plant here in the uk after 6 months closer, most of what they make here goes for export to the rest of Europe.
I hope Honda don’t go under but they should do their best to preserve what costumers that are loyal to them by producing cars their costumers want.
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Breaking News... by hpmctorque
Sep 30, 2009 (3:05 pm)
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From Automotive News, 9/30...
 
"The front-wheel-drive car pairs Honda's integrated motor assist hybrid system with a 1.5-liter i-VTEC engine and six-speed manual transmission. Honda hasn't announced fuel economy figures. The CR-Z is billed as the spiritual successor to Honda's popular CR-X."
 
Unless it's a misprint, the CR-Z will have a manual transmission after all. Does this still leave a tiny doubt as to whether the manual will also be available in the U.S.?
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Re: Breaking News... [hpmctorque] by nippononly
Oct 04, 2009 (10:13 pm)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (Sep 30, 2009 3:05 pm)

It's also printed here
http://www.autoweek.com/article/20090930/TOKYO/909309998
and I trust Auto News to be careful with their quotes from press releases, so I'm elated - CRZ WILL have a manual transmission!
 
Now the only worry is that it will be only for the home market, where it goes on sale first, and not for the U.S.
 
There's a new pic at that link too. Even though it is fairly obviously a shortened 2-seat version of the Insight, they have made it look good, and curb weight should be down from the Insight with any luck, given the reduced size.
 
We will have it in a year or so - I hope it finds enough sales for them to keep it on the market here. I still see used CRXs all over the place, and the newest models of that car are close to 20 years old now.
 
Oh, and BTW, the design is getting mixed reviews at that Autoweek link. Someone has suggested that they offer a CRZ SI using the 200 hp engine from the current Civic SI, and if they did that I would just DIE. I would be first in line, camping out at the dealership for an SI like that!
 
But if it's a proper manual with the Insight powerplant and pulls 45-50 mpg, and has the handling of a CRX, I will be more than satisified too.
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CRZ updates by englishpete
Oct 05, 2009 (2:03 am)
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Try these links dont know if we will get more info in the uk
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/Honda-Concepts/243692/
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/242563/hybrid_crz_turns_up_hea- t.html.
Took delivery of my new Scirocco last week its a dream so glad Honda could not get the CRZ on sale
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Re: Breaking News... [nippononly] by hpmctorque
Oct 05, 2009 (5:43 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Oct 04, 2009 10:13 pm)

I wonder about the weight distribution of this short FWD hybrid. Will it be similar to the traditional ~60% front. 40% rear? For handling purposes it would be good if the weight over the front wheels were no more, and preferably a little less than 60%. Much less than 60% up front could result in traction problems, while much more would hurt handling.
 
Personally, I'd prefer the following two engine choices in place of the hybrid: A naturally aspirated, direct injection 1.3 for economy, and a turbocharged version for performance. That's because I remain skeptical of the cost, complexity, weight and space efficiency issues associated with hybrids. Maybe my concerns will prove frivolous.
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Re: Breaking News... [hpmctorque] by nippononly
Oct 05, 2009 (7:02 am)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (Oct 05, 2009 5:43 am)

I am right there with you - I'm no hybrid fan either. But I will accept one if it's that or no CRZ. I am assuming that with the battery pack in the back, this thing will be a little closer to 50/50 for weight distribution, although it will undoubtedly still skew towards the front.
 
englishpete: lucky you for living in the UK! In the U.S. we don't get to choose from the best cars made by foreign automakers, we make do with their scraps and 26,000 SUV choices.
 
(And yes, that DOES mean we don't get the Scirocco either)
 
I just feel so fortunate that Honda is even bringing the CRZ to the States.
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It's a hybrid.... by erik25
Oct 15, 2009 (9:48 am)
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The first intend for this car was to make a hybrid that can by sporty looking and driving,so people who want the "old crx" back are on the wrong thought.Ofcourse if Honda would listen to his costumers and look at forums ,they could sell a lot more cars,not that old looking and dull driving cars they make now.The CR-Z could be a nice start for Honda to get some custumers back again who went to other brands for better looking cars.I'm still thinking of the insight but when this coupe has more power with better milage and more fun to drive i can wait for it.Hope they don't price it to high,otherwise it's still not gonna happen for Honda.
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Re: It's a hybrid.... [erik25] by nippononly
Oct 16, 2009 (12:21 pm)
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Replying to: erik25 (Oct 15, 2009 9:48 am)

130ish hp in a 2500-pound car is a decent start though.
 
I would LOVE to see this car with the SI's 200 hp powertrain.
 
Even a hotted-up DI version of the regular Civic's 1.8, at around 160 hp, would be a lot of fun.
#74 of 78
Re: It's a hybrid.... [nippononly] by hpmctorque
Oct 17, 2009 (8:18 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Oct 16, 2009 12:21 pm)

To me 130 hp is sufficient for this car to be fun to drive if the handling and feel are superb. I think fuel economy is an important goal for this model, not blistering acceleration, which is probably why Honda is staying with a small displacement engine. With 200 hp or more in a small car, I'd want RWD. That could be the production version of the Toyota FT-86.

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