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Future Vehicles 2010 Honda CR-Z
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Replying to: hpmctorque (May 16, 2008 7:30 am) One of the ways Honda got the old HFs and HXs to burn less gas was by making the fuel/air mixture very lean, which causes elevated NOx emissions, so I wouldn't expect anything like that in the future with smog standards tightening all the time. If they end up making two versions of the car, one with a gas engine and one a hybrid, I would go for the hybrid at a $2000 premium as long as the weight stayed nice and low and it saved at least 25% in fuel vs the gas model. I'm looking for a 50 mpg car to replace my current car, and as much as I would like to think that Honda could get to 50 mpg on gas alone with weight reductions and sophisticated engine management, I don't think they can. Now with a hybrid powertrain, I bet they could, and maybe go even further. One thing I really love about this car is the looks - looks better to me than the Civic coupe, while mimicking some of its lines for a family resemblance. |
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| I'm not too crazy about the styling. I prefer the styling of the Kia coup concept that's likely to go into production (can't remember the model name at this time). | |
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The Kia coupe concept I'm thinking about is called the Koup (appropriately enough). Based on the pictures, I prefer the styling of the Kia over the Honda. |
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| the production car will have smaller rims...I kinda like it, even though I am still a fan of the boxy style of the last CRX. This one looks similar in some ways to the RSX, when that was still around. | |
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"TOKYO -- Honda’s president says the Japanese automaker will sell a new, improved and affordable gas-electric hybrid in the U.S., Japan and Europe starting early next year. Takeo Fukui told reporters that “green” cars, especially hybrids, will be a pillar of Honda’s strategy for the next three years, starting this fiscal year that began April 1. He did not say what the price of the vehicle would be. But he said the new hybrid will be a five-door sedan seating five passengers, and it will feature new technology that reduces the size and weight of the hybrid system to increase fuel efficiency. “Hybrids have drawn attention for their image, but time has come to go to the next step,” he said, stressing that Honda was serious about selling hybrids in numbers. Honda plans to sell 500,000 hybrids per year sometime after 2010, he said. To expand hybrid sales, Honda will introduce a new sporty hybrid based on the CR-Z model, a Civic hybrid and a hybrid model of the Fit subcompact, which is sold as the Jazz in Europe, in addition to the new hybrid going on sale next year, Fukui said." As for the Acura Division, separately I read that Honda believes that hybrids work best for Civic-size and smaller cars, while diesels are preferable for larger vehicles. From this it looks like Acura will look to diesels for fuel economy gains. The TSX will offer a diesel engine option next year. Unfortunately, in the U.S., unlike in Europe, some of the diesel's fuel economy advantage is offset by high diesel fuel prices. The price for diesel was $497.99/gallon at one station I drove past several days ago, so the benefits of diesel over regular gasoline, especially, but even compared to premium, are significantly diminished. With oil over $130/barrel this morning we can probably expect to see diesel fuel at >$5 at many stations.
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they are very serious about offering a hybrid version of the CR-Z, when it arrives. This new hybrid 5-door (not the CR-Z, a different model) expected to arrive next spring and undercut the Civic hybrid in price will probably end up being their lowest-priced hybrid model. I would expect the CR-Z hybrid to cost more, maybe as much as a base Prius (but with a completely different mission from the Prius). But hey, the best part of this news is merely the fact that with this announcement, Honda seems a lot more committed than it has been to bringing the CR-Z to the U.S. I like that kind of news! 
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Replying to: hpmctorque (May 21, 2008 4:20 am) Also, that large spread between gas and diesel is somewhat artificial due to different tax rates (diesel has more taxes) and profit margin (big oil makes virtually no profit on distilling gas while making 25 cents/gal distilling diesel). I expect that spread to narrow in the long term.
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Replying to: biker4 (May 24, 2008 2:47 am) while diesel has gotten cleaner over the years, it's still alot dirtier than the ULEV cars that Honda offers today. Try going for a run in France and you're lungs will tell you diesel sucks.
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| there won't be a diesel version of the CRZ. They will go hybrid instead with this one. They are saving the diesels for their larger models. | |
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had its "OSM" concept car on display at the London auto show, which looks to be closely related to the CRZ, only the convertible version of it. This car looks really nice. Here's an article that has some good pics of the OSM, as well as some of the CRZ: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/car_shopping/latest_news_reviews/h- - onda_osm_concept_car_news+view-photos.html One other thing: whenever Honda makes new mention of this car, they talk about how "eco-friendly" its powertrain will be. Hopefully it is nice and low in weight when it finally arrives, then a small hybrid powertrain would be perfectly adequate, and 50 mpg might be in order (dare I hope)! Edit...here's the link to the short article that went with the photos: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/car_shopping/latest_news_reviews/h- onda_osm_concept_car_news |
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