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Future Vehicles 2010 Honda CR-Z
78 messages, Last post on Oct 26, 2009 at 12:11 PM
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Mr. Honda weather it be UK or US is playing this close to the chest, clever marketing or maybe they don’t know, Will they give their customers what they want or will they give us what they think we would like that’s the question. At the end of the day it’s a Japanese decision and some times they do strange things. There is no fun in a car that has the most unresponsive gearbox (like in the presant Civic Hybrid and will be in the new Insight) even with the best engine in the world. If this is to be a hybrid then I think this type of gearbox will be part of it, that way the engine revs are at the optimal revs for acceleration and de-acceleration for the hybrid drive (discharging and recharging). Would you design a sporty body like the CRZ then take away? By then making the transmission un-sporty? I hope not. If the CRZ is on the Civic chassis as must be the Insight then there are options for different engines and transmissions. Hope some thing will come to light when the Insight goes on sale in May till then I don’t think we will hear much.
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Replying to: englishpete (Jan 11, 2009 11:51 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jan 12, 2009 7:53 am) Think this would be bad news for Honda if they did. If demand is falling the last thing to do is to cut the potential for new growth they should bring things forward so as to steel a march on their competitors This vehicle has been in the making for the last two years now, it has the history of the CRX to live up to; delay would be a big mistake. Time Honda got its finger out and made some positive statement, its beginning to look like indecision or worse. |
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I read that Honda has definitely decided to offer only a hybrid version of this model. I'm disappointed, as I know you are. Like you, the attributes associated with lighter, simpler and cheaper appeal to me. Therefore, I'd like to see the hybrid supplemented by a choice of a 1.3 engine, for economy and a 2.0 Si, for performance. Even better, since I prefer diesels over hybrids, the ideal engine choices, in my view, would be a 1.6 for a nice blend of performance, economy and price, a 2.0 high performance, and a diesel, for economy. Unfortunately, t'aint gonna happen.
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Replying to: hpmctorque (Jan 31, 2009 7:11 am) Honda seems to be missing a point here, what’s the first thing that attracts you to a car? Like a woman its looks, no good if you look under the hood to find it the engine reminds you of your grandmother, yes we all want economy but you want power to, if V W can produce the Blue Sport with a 2Lt diesel engine doing 50 to the gallon and 140 mph I am sure Mr. Honda can fit one of its diesel engines and still get good economy. The other thing to bear in mind is the with any vehicle that has these batteries that at some point in its life they will have to be replaced at great cost, this will greatly affect the cars second hand price. |
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Replying to: hpmctorque (Jan 31, 2009 7:11 am) At TOV all the enthusiasts are talking about how the days of Honda as we knew it are over, and soon it will just be a pale imitation of Toyota. I sure hope not.
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It IS beginning to sound like the CRZ will be nothing more than a reshaped 3-door Insight, in which case my interest in it will end post-haste. Is it too much for me to hold out hope that it might have a stick and low weight? Low weight was a specific design goal for this model, from what Honda published on it before. Low weight and hybrid don't usually go together, but heck, the Insight with 5 doors is only going to weigh around 2725. Could they get the CRZ under 2500? I think it's a possibility. If they could get it under the 2500-pound threshold and offer it with a stick, I wouldn't mind that it was a hybrid. Indeed, I would welcome the fuel economy.
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Replying to: nippononly (Feb 01, 2009 1:39 pm) Agree hope that Honda dont fall into that trap, keep hearing stories of how honda are letting their build standard slip through out the range. |
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Replying to: nippononly (Feb 02, 2009 7:29 am) Honda only has its self to blame for comments like you can read above, they are the only car manufacture that brings out a proposed new model with the intention of putting it on sale and then have the argents to keep potential customers in the dark for nearly 2 years as to its details. Looks like a good way to kill any interest from the start. And no I fear you going to get the rubber band auto gear box of the Insight. |
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Here is what you can do with a 2 lt diesel engine, look at the times and the weight speed and MPG Volkswagen has unveiled this mid-engined two-seat roadster concept at this week’s Detroit show. It’s the latest step in the firm’s long-running flirtation with a Lotus Elise rival. Powered by a transversely mounted 2.0-litre, four-cylinder diesel engine, the VW Concept BlueSport is a sports car designed with current emissions and budget-sensitive times firmly in mind. With a kerb weight of less than 1200kg, the roadster has been conceived to appeal to keen drivers. It’s capable of cracking 62mph from rest in 6.6sec and hitting 140mph flat out. And yet, thanks to its advanced diesel powertrain and modest weight, the car should also be capable of around 50mpg on the combined cycle and better than 60mpg while touring. |
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