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Honda CR-Z Hybrid, Hybrid Cars, Coupe
Jan 21, 2010 (4:41 pm)
It sounds like Honda might have blown there chances with this car before it hits the road, The fuel figures don’t look good nether the kerb weight think the concept of a hybrid sports might be the undoing of this car.
The 1.5 v tec engine is a good power unit I had it in my old civic aerodeck but got better mileage than the CRZ and that was heavier. You can have power and economy
With the power and fuel consumption I get from my new Scirocco 2lt 170 TDI I think Honda might have missed a trick.
I have seen the CRZ at the 2008 London motor show and it looked good, I loved more the so called S2000 roadster concept (see link) that made its one and only appearance never to be seen again.
Why do it? make a mockup of a car show it to the public to wet there appetites only to take it away, to me it says “we know what you really want buy but try this half a car instead”.
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/22/london-2008-honda-osm-concept-roadster-says-c- - heerio
#104 of 159 Re: Another nail in the coffin [englishpete]
Feb 14, 2010 (10:33 am)
I think he has some of his numbers wrong (like 33 highway EPA for the manual, I believe it's projected to be 37 and none of the numbers are official for the U.S. yet anyway) but regardless of that I am waiting to see some actual driving impressions of this thing. The release date is not far off now, so there should be some magazine test drives soon. I am seeing good press on the new Fiesta and to a lesser extent the Abarth, so I've got some good backups in mind!
#105 of 159 Re: Another nail in the coffin [nippononly]
Feb 14, 2010 (1:10 pm)
I think your right and we should let the car have a chance to prove its self, the fact that its getting bad press lays at the feet of Honda, they have had this car as a concept to long kept their prospective customers in the dark, changed the way it looks now from its original conception and now it is looking like its not going to live up to its expectations.
Think Honda need to have a close look their public relations department, how many people like me got fed up with waiting and have been seduced into buying something else.
The ford focus is certainly a machine to keep your eye on, the ST range looks to be the dogs gonads.
#106 of 159 Where's the Sport in the Cr-Z?
Feb 17, 2010 (2:28 am)
I'm still wondering what Honda was thinking when they designed this car. If it was meant to appeal to the car enthusiast looking for an affordable, fun sporty two seater then they don;t really understand the priorities of this type of buyer.
For the aforementioned buyer the hybrid would be fine as long as it did not mean a sacrifice in performance. Clearly this car is too much of a compromise (9.7 0-62, 122 hp) to satisfy any sportcar enthusiast.
Sadly,it looks like Honda is abandoning the fun to drive sportscar market.
#107 of 159 Re: Where's the Sport in the Cr-Z? [bb49]
Feb 17, 2010 (10:44 am)
Think you are so right, I find it sad that Honda are abandoning true sports car market especially when you look at what they have made in the past , did this start with the withdrawal from F1 and are they just looking to make cars for the family car market if so why produce the CRZ, this is like watching and old friend become senile.
#108 of 159 Re: Where's the Sport in the Cr-Z? [bb49]
Feb 18, 2010 (9:40 pm)
(9.7 0-62, 122 hp)
The original CRX SI was 90 hp or so, 2000 pounds or so. This one had better clock in around 2500 pounds like they promised, and has 1/3 more horsepower, so should have a better power to weight ratio than the original.
This model was NEVER a drag racer. We haven't seen a slalom number yet, but I bet it will shame lots of expensive sports and sporty cars.
And they haven't driven a manual with the NA gearing yet, so 9.7 0-60 is in doubt anyway. I am betting on 8-8.5, which is plenty fast off the line for this model.
Bottom line is it needs to be really fun to drive, and you can't always predict that by the numbers, which is why I made the earlier remark that we need to see some first drives to get a better sense of this thing at this point....
#109 of 159 The Honda Odyssey, the Intersection of Sport and Minivan.
Feb 21, 2010 (1:56 am)
I saw photos of the new Odyssey concept. It's looks very sleek and sporty and based upon the previous Odyssey model will handle very well and will probably do 0-60 in the mid- 8 second range or better. Not only will I be as fast or faster than the CR-Z I will be able haul 6 more people and have more drink holders! I think I'll I inform Honda that they don't have worry, just put a split rear window, a shark fin on the roof, maybe a spoiler and a 6 speed manual and call it the Odyssey-Z and myself and all of the other car enthusiasts will have our Honda sports car.
#110 of 159 Re: The Honda Odyssey, the Intersection of Sport and Minivan. [bb49]
Feb 21, 2010 (6:05 am)
Sorry but it does nothing for me, looks like a people carrier nothing sporty here.
See previous post for the concepts shown in London 2008 Honda OSM
#111 of 159 Re: The Honda Odyssey, the Intersection of Sport and Minivan. [bb49]
Feb 23, 2010 (6:28 pm)
The Camry V-6 will do 0-60 in like 6 seconds or so. It is also a pig of a vehicle just like the Odyssey, and can't carve a canyon worth a damn.
Neither has any attributes I am interested in.
Give me a focused sport package every time. The 0-60 sprint is WAAAY overrated.