Last post on Sep 18, 2008 at 9:55 AM
You are in the Audi A6
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Audi A6, Sedan, Wagon
#5 of 34 Re: Hi [bmlexus]
Apr 27, 2008 (2:46 am)
Audi has traditionally gone with a 6 or 7 year cycle. Since the C6 came out in 05 has not yet even seen a mid-cycle refresh, I don't think we are going to see the C7 A6 until MY 2011 at the earliest.
Apr 27, 2008 (8:22 am)
On the OTHER hand, the 3.0 kompressor engine would NOT require a new body.
I assumed that the new A6 would at least move up to 265HP. . .
But here is the point that seems to be the most challenging for the dealer here in the US:
The 1. wheelbase and 2. width and 3. content and 4. performance of the new A4 are:
1. about the same
2. close enough for most folks to not care
3. favor the A4
4. favor the A4 even when equipped with the new, uprated 2.0TFSI
The width of the A6 will be slightly wider, but arguably not noticeable by many.
The length of the A6 when able to be compared side by side, will still be greater than the new A4's -- but when they are NOT side by side, the A4 will be larger than its main German rivals (C class Merc and 3 series Bimmer.) Probably only of merit if the boot space of the A6 is "a deal breaker" since the boot of the A6 may hold a bit more than the new A4.
The performance of the new A4: acceleration, handling, braking, even the ride will better in most cases and never be less than equal to the A6 3.2, even if the A6 is uprated to 265HP (since there is no boost in torque for the 3.2.) The 2.0 comes in at 258 ft pounds of torque coming on below 2,000 rpm's, and the 3.2 comes in at 243 ft pounds of torque coming on above 3,200 rpm's, all while consuming more fuel in the process.
There is a real 19" sport package option offered on the A4 -- Sline trim on the A6 is, er, "all yak and no shak," so to speak.
The A6 is nose heavy and will, at its current state of development, will not change and will also not use the 40:60 f/r torque split favored by "the motoring press" and many buyers of AWD LPS cars.
The latest tech will be in the A4, the A6 if it does not change will be based on the same basic tech offered on it when it first rolled off the line in 2004.
Having said that, I love my 2005 A6 3.2 -- I cannot say enough good about it. It is, NOT, for my tastes "woefully" underpowered -- but objectively, it is pretty low on power compared to the "usual suspects."
Sitting on the showroom floor, a decked out A4 2.0TFSI including Premium Plus, will not look like the junior edition any longer.
Test driven, back to back, even the motoring press gives the overall crown to the A4. If the A4 has been"debadged" (no mention on the trunk lid of the displacement of the engine, i.e.) and the stickers are kept covered, then revealed, well -- the A4 at over $6,000 perhaps over $7,000 less with equal or higher content will make the A6 a "tough sell."
The new engine, at least, is really a good idea, if they can pull it off, for the '09 A6, for Audis LPS entrant has, in the US at least, fallen behind its rivals in the category of "mine's bigger than yours" -- which, despite the fact we all speak in HP terms, we literally LOVE torque the most.
The above, at press time, are further reasons I could not re up for another A6 -- maybe next time.
Apr 28, 2008 (6:18 am)
My post was about the possiblity of a new engine. The A6 is not due for a total make-over until 2011..something I already knew.
A new 3.0 super/turbo can easily fit under the hood of the A6.
The 3.0 super/turbo is going in the new generation 2009 S4 as well. The S4 will have 330 ish hp. In the A6, 290-300 sounds about right.
#8 of 34 A4 in reality is still not as roomy as A6 ... in the rear... uuhh...seat
Apr 29, 2008 (6:03 am)
Makes a difference to those of us that chauffeur around a wife and kid:)
#9 of 34 Re: A4 in reality is still not as roomy as A6 ... in the rear... uuhh...seat [jeqq]
May 12, 2008 (10:14 am)
The new 3.0 is supposed to be supercharged 286/hp 310/lb ft torque. Should be a very nice motor for the A6.
article from another source...
Audi has revealed more details about its forthcoming supercharged V6 engine, which will power the next S4 and feature in next year’s A6 refresh.
The 3.0-litre, direct-injection unit produces 286bhp at 4850rpm, and 310lb ft torque at 2500rpm. It’ll be known as the 3.0-litre TFSI, even though the ‘T’ traditionally stands for ‘turbo’.
The new engine uses an Eaton supercharger and has an air-to-air intercooler rather than a water-to-air unit.
Speculation was rife that Audi would fit its 3.2-litre V6 with twin turbos in an effort to rival BMW’s similarly specified 3.0-litre unit, which has just won Engine of the Year for the second year in succession. But the Ingolstadt engineers decided that the increasing weight of cars demanded a solution promising greater torque at low revs.
Audi bosses believe that larger models like the Q7 and A8 - also likely to get the supercharged V6 - will benefit from low-down power delivery. Packaging a supercharger is also simpler than a twin-turbo, because it sits between the cylinders, although this does raise the centre of gravity.
#10 of 34 Re: A4 in reality is still not as roomy as A6 ... in the rear... uuhh...seat [rjlaero]
May 20, 2008 (7:49 am)
Is this thought to be coming in the 2009 A6 or in the 2010 model?
#11 of 34 Re: A4 in reality is still not as roomy as A6 ... in the rear... uuhh...seat [sryn]
May 22, 2008 (11:28 am)
I think it's going to be 2009.
A6's are currently delayed until the fall production schedule. My guess is that the extra time is needed for the new engine and very minor restyle.
This should hold the A6 over for 2 more years until the all new 2011 model.
#12 of 34 Re: A4 in reality is still not as roomy as A6 ... in the rear... uuhh...seat [rjlaero]
May 26, 2008 (1:04 pm)
Thanks for your reply. If you'd indulge me further....
1. I recently drove both the 3.2 and 4.2 versions of the A6. I am by no means an auto sophisticate when it comes to discerning subtle differences in engine performance, but I found the performance response between these two to be obvious and substantial. In fact, I found the difference between these two engines much more pronounced than the difference between Infiniti's 6 and 8 (M35 v M45); perhaps not surprising since the delta in the Infiniti powerplants is only 50 hp. Do you think the 3.0 TFSI's "seat of the pants" performance will be comparable to that of the 4.2 or do believe a noticeable performance gap will remain?
2. Any chance that Audi may be incorporating a hard drive feature into its A6 stereo/nav electronics? That CD/IPOD in the glove box arrangement really needs to be relegated to the audi museum.
Thanks in advance.
#13 of 34 Re: A4 in reality is still not as roomy as A6 ... in the rear... uuhh...seat [sryn]
May 27, 2008 (8:20 am)
I have an 08 4.2 A6, and there is a big difference in power between the 3.2 and 4.2.
The new 3.0 supercharged is supposed to have 300 lb ft of torque. With the current 3.2 255hp / 243 torque, it should make a huge differnce in bringing the 3.0T closer to the V8.
The new 3.0 will probably decrease V8 sales even more. Very few V8 A6's are even sold each year. Had the new 3.0 super been available when I bought my car, I might have gone with the 6 instead for a little better mileage.
You have to drive the 3.2 a lot harder to get some juice out of the motor, and the gas mileage isn't a huge difference.
On the plus side, Audi's 4.2 V8 is a rock solid motor that will run forever if you take care of it. The new 3.0 will probably be a little higher maintenace, and V6 turbos and supercharged engines can be a little more finicky at times.
We'll have to see about the new I pod for 2009. I agree that the glove box ipod and Cd are alot harder to use.
#14 of 34 Re the glove box
May 27, 2008 (7:07 pm)
If Audi would see its way clear to installing a dashboard hard drive ala Cadillac and Infiniti, the inconvenience of the glove box IPOD/CD design would be minimized. Download each of your CDs and your IPOD onto the hard drive and you'll forget the glove compartment is even there.