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Re: Another new German... [62vetteefp] by andys120
Dec 17, 2008 (7:01 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 17, 2008 3:46 am)

Like you I think it looks much better in darker colors and I also agree that it needs to be seen "in the metal" to be fully evaluated.
 
Fintail, Herr Bangle has been moved "upstairs" and is no longer directly in charge of BMW Design. The current Chief of Design Adrian Van Hooydonk gets much of the credit for recent BMW's including the One Series, new 3 Series, 7 Series Refresh as well as the new Z4.
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I have noticed....> by andys120
Dec 17, 2008 (7:10 am)
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that there's quite a bit of BMW 507 in the new Z4?
 

 
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Re: Another new German... [andys120] by fintail
Dec 17, 2008 (8:53 am)
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Replying to: andys120 (Dec 17, 2008 7:01 am)

But remember, car designers are by definition lemmings and plagiarists, there's almost no original thought these days. I don't see any new BMWs that don't show the influence of Bangle, and his vision has spread like a cancer to many other makes as well.
 
Look at that 507, no creases for the sake of creases
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Re: Another new German... [fintail] by 62vetteefp
Dec 17, 2008 (9:15 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Dec 17, 2008 8:53 am)

There is a crease leading off from the upper wheelhouse on the front fender. No reason for that one.
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Re: Another new German... [62vetteefp] by andys120
Dec 17, 2008 (9:54 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 17, 2008 9:15 am)

The crease shows more prominently on this photo>
 

 
Prominent side creases have been elements of BMW design since the 1950s.
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Re: Another new German... [andys120] by andre1969
Dec 17, 2008 (10:05 am)
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Replying to: andys120 (Dec 17, 2008 9:54 am)

There's also a similar, less-pronounced crease that comes off the rear wheel opening. I think these creases work well with the car though, giving it a streamlined, windswept look.
 
On some cars there's a crease that comes off the top of the front wheel opening and carries forward to the front of the car. I always liked this look. In fact, it was one of the things that attracted me to the '57-58 DeSoto and Chrysler. I also like it on the '61-62 Cadillac and '59 Mercury. Ford did it as well in '57-59, Studebaker did it a few years, and countless others, I'm sure.
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Re: Another new German... [62vetteefp] by fintail
Dec 17, 2008 (10:25 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 17, 2008 9:15 am)

It's an accent line coming off the wheelarch - suggests motion. It's a classical styling cue. No random flame surfacing or bustles.
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Re: Another new German... [fintail] by steve_ HOST
Dec 17, 2008 (1:01 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Dec 17, 2008 10:25 am)

It's a crease.
 
I like it, mind you, but it's styling, not function.
 
I like the next Z4 from the pics too. Didn't much care for the prior one. I liked the Z3 a lot; neighbor next door had one for a while. I tend to like "chick" cars - minivans, Miatas....
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Re: Another new German... [steve_] by guss
Dec 17, 2008 (1:40 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 17, 2008 1:01 pm)

I'm with Steve, I thought the Z3 was the best looking of the trio. I thought it had the classic lines of a British roadster.
 
The new Z4 looks ok, but it looks alot like the previous Z4 to me, with the flame surfacing toned down just a little.
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I agree by nippononly
Dec 18, 2008 (8:17 am)
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The Z3 was much better-looking than the Z4 has been.

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