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Re: Faux Coupes [andys120] by andre1969
Apr 27, 2008 (1:19 pm)
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Replying to: andys120 (Apr 27, 2008 11:42 am)

It was Mercedes-Benz who first offered a four door sedan with a lowered roof trailing off into a fastback slope and oxymoronically called it a "four-door coupe"
 
Well, there was the 1980-85 Seville. And while they didn't have sloped off rears back in the 50's, some of the 4-door hardtops back in those days shared the same roof as their 2-door counterparts.
 
The CLS actually makes me think of the '80-85 Seville, or a '79-81 Newport/St. Regis, in that it has frameless windows but a B-pillar, and that fixed quarter window in the back door that looks a bit funny if you open the back door with the window rolled down. Some of GM's hardtop sedans from 1958 were like that, too. Chrysler's 1956 hardtop sedans had that little quarter window, but it actually retracted down at an angle when you rolled the main window down.
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Re: Faux Coupes [andys120] by 62vetteefp
Apr 27, 2008 (5:16 pm)
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Replying to: andys120 (Apr 27, 2008 11:42 am)

It was actually the 97 Grand Prix that was the first of the Coupe styled sedans.
 
But nothing does as much as the low, sleek coupe-like roofline; remember how, just a couple of years ago, four doors meant a squared roofline?
 
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Re: Faux Coupes [62vetteefp] by steve_ HOST
Apr 27, 2008 (5:41 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Apr 27, 2008 5:16 pm)

Those Google image search links rarely work in a cut and paste - try this:
 
link
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Re: Faux Coupes [62vetteefp] by fintail
Apr 28, 2008 (2:01 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Apr 27, 2008 5:16 pm)

I always thought the Rover P5 coupe (actually a sedan) was the first sedan variant to have distinctively more coupelike styling compared to its upright sedan brother. The Ford and Mercury fastback sedans of 1964 come to mind as well.
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Re: Faux Coupes [fintail] by andys120
Apr 28, 2008 (2:57 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Apr 28, 2008 2:01 pm)

I always thought the Rover P5 coupe (actually a sedan) was the first sedan variant to have distinctively more coupelike styling compared to its upright sedan brother.
 
The oddball P5 is an easy one to forget as AFAIK it never came across the Atlantic but it did indeed have a chopped roof giving it a coupelike profile>
 

 
 The Ford and Mercury fastback sedans of 1964 come to mind as well
 
I assume you're referring to this variation on the the Ford and Merc H/T sedans >
 

 
That's pretty tame compared to the "Nascar"-style roofs the Sports Coupes got 1963 1/2>
 

 
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Re: Faux Coupes [andys120] by fintail
Apr 28, 2008 (3:49 pm)
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Replying to: andys120 (Apr 28, 2008 2:57 pm)

I guess the image I had in my mind of those Fords was racier than the actual product. So I'll stand with the Rover....I guess the Ford wasn't really chopped down much, just had a more angled back window.
 
Interesting ad, I don't recall seeing another that actually admits a half year like that.
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Re: Faux Coupes [andys120] by 62vetteefp
Apr 28, 2008 (5:32 pm)
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Replying to: andys120 (Apr 28, 2008 2:57 pm)

Do ou have a side view of that Rover thing? Never saw one before.
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Re: Faux Coupes [62vetteefp] by fintail
Apr 28, 2008 (6:09 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Apr 28, 2008 5:32 pm)

Here's a slideshow on youtube
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4-door Fastbacks Re: Faux Coupes [andre1969] by writer
Apr 28, 2008 (11:17 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Apr 27, 2008 1:19 pm)

The 1949 and 1950 Chev Fleetlines were true Fastbacks available in 4 door versions. I think they were called sedans. Not many sold. By 1951, I think the 4 door was dropped and by 1952 there were no fastback Chevs (until 1963's Corvette?).
 
I expect the same was true for the rest of GM in those years.

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