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#68 of 266 Re: A worthy Avalon replacement [bwia]
Dec 30, 2008 (11:22 am)
The area Hyundai dealer made me a nice offer AFTER I purchased my Avalon:(
I thought about one before I purchased the Avalon, but at $3500.00 more then the Avalon, I couldn't see it. Of course it was the second phone call that had the price lowered to within the reach of the Avalon.
I'm glad (so far) that I didn't purchase it … mostly because they just got a Very nice, low mileage unit in trade, and they are selling it for $16990.00!
Now I point this out because right now, they DO NOT have a great following, or a very good re-sale value. That's a $20,000.00 PLUS drop in 1 model year (and only 11,300 miles).
Now likely to be something about the car, but I don't see anything.
Now checking online for used Avalon's brings up several come up, and ALL at nice high prices. Which makes me happy, that right now, they have a great re-sale value. For that reason alone, I would purchase a current model Avalon, and worried about the fact they MAY drop it from the lineup in a few years.
I sold my 2007 Camry for $1,140.00 less then I paid for it, after 13 months and 38,000 miles
My wife has been offered $11,400.00 as a trade for her 2003 Toyota Camry with 47,000 original miles on it.
My point … Toyotas hold their value, and for that reason alone I would purchase another one.
Hyundai Genesis gets for good reviews as the car goes, but most do wonder about the re-sale value.
I will say, when you go to Toyota.com and compare the Genesis to the Avalon, there sure isn't as much difference as we would have though. Size, dimensions, space, room and so on, are very compatible. Sure makes you wonder which market Hyundai is after.
I'm guessing it will be a nice car, but don't worry about the fact the Avalon may be gone as such in 2010, it will be replaced, not gone.
#69 of 266 Re: A worthy Avalon replacement [bwia]
Dec 30, 2008 (2:13 pm)
I am thinking the Hyundai Genesis might be a worthy and less expensive replacement
I don't know about being less expensive (40K loaded V6) however it is a nice ride. I drove one it feels a lot different than the Avalon being RWD and having a stiffer suspension. My '06 Avalon is due to come off lease soon and I am in a similar dilemma.... if the Avalon is being redesigned for 2010 I will extend my lease or just drive my pickup until the new model comes out. If its being discontinued the ES350 or the Genesis are my top two picks. The ES is a great car too but smaller than the Av and the Genesis the verdict is still out on.
#70 of 266 Re: FWD vs RWD [wwest]
Dec 30, 2008 (6:37 pm)
I agree with you on everything except being the most stable. I wonder if I could have a tire or alignment issue?
#71 of 266 Re: FWD vs RWD [wwest]
Dec 30, 2008 (7:32 pm)
I had a very scary event in my LS a couple of days ago and I am curious if this has happened to anyone else.
I was driving up a snow packed hill with traction control engaged and this was my first experience with this car in the snow. No wheel spin but the car just got slower and slower and finally stopped...then started rolling backwards. Apparently, at that point the computer killed the engine so I am free wheeling backwards down the hill with very little control.
Every time I would try to slow down by braking I would begin toe slew sideways (very narrow seldom used road so there was no traffic, thank goodness). I went backwards down the hill for about 100 yards. It was not a really steep hill but it was steep enough.
I finally got stopped, then turned around in a driveway with no damage but...if this had been in traffic it could have been very bad. I have never had this happen to me before in any car and I have driven in snow, ice, and hills for more years that I like to remember.
This is a little cut thru road that saves a couple of miles and the outside temp was in the 40's. Other roadways were completely clear but this area was in deep shade so old ice had not melted. If I had had any idea the road was icy I would not have been on it.
Anyone else ever experience anything like this? Where did I go wrong other than being dumb enough to be on this particular road? Does anyone know why the engine stalled and is this normal? Thanks for any comments.
#72 of 266 Re: FWD vs RWD [houdini1]
Dec 31, 2008 (4:17 am)
Toyota's (Lexus) TC is very aggressive. Not sure what year your LS is. However, my 2000 Solara's TC caused me plenty of headaches to the point of turning it off almost everytime I had to make a quick turn or attempt a steep hill in ice/snow. The system will cut engine power if applying the brakes isn't enough. On an icy road you could actually have the acclerator floored and the car will do nothing.
My '06 Avalon's is programmed a little better (IMO) allowing a little wheelspin. However, it can't be deactivated with a switch like earlier models. What I would do is find the crazy set of commands to disable it (unless your LS has a switch) The Avalon forums have the procedure , however I am not sure if it would apply to your LS.
#73 of 266 Re: FWD vs RWD [tjc78]
Dec 31, 2008 (7:55 am)
It is a 2006 and it does have a switch to disable the t/c. After I got to the bottom of the hill and restarted the engine I remembered to turn it off as the car still would not move. Until I stopped moving I did not realize that the engine had stalled because the car is so quiet !
Thanks for the tip. I thought it had something to do with t/c but was not sure. I would not normally drive this car in bad weather but I got surprised !
#74 of 266 Re: Going to Buy New 2009 Avalon Next Week [ksward74]
Jan 01, 2009 (3:53 am)
I have to agree with popsavalon... The XL with added leather should do you just fine. I have an 07 XLS and love the car with one exception, the sun roof. Don't know what part of the country you're in, but I can tell you in cooler temperatures the sun roof has a rattle... I know it's the sun roof because I can put my hand up against it and apply a little pressure and the rattle stops... Fortuntely the rattle also stops after the heaters been on for about 3 or 4 minutes and the car interior warms up. None the less the rattle bothers me and If I remember correctly you can get the XL without the sunroof but with added leather seats... If I were to do it again, I would certainly consider the XL. Good luck car shopping.
#75 of 266 Re: Going to Buy New 2009 Avalon Next Week [rpfingsten]
Jan 01, 2009 (4:17 am)
Sort of glad to hear your happy with your 2007 XLS. Sort of, because I'm wondering about the sun roof issue?
I just purchased a 08 Touring Avalon with sun roof and a few other features, and as of yet, I haven't had any issue with the sun roof rattling. I'm located in Maine, so I KNOW it gets cold enough:) I'll be watching this carefully.
I notice that kind of rattling in the dash a little bit, in both this Avalon and my 07 Camry, when it was COLD (single digits or colder). It too disappears after the cabin has warmed up some. This was in the Camry, annoying - in the Avalon a bit of a disappointment. But hell, I rattle on those cold morning to, until I've warmed up a bit:)
#76 of 266 Re: Going to Buy New 2009 Avalon Next Week [rpfingsten]
Jan 01, 2009 (6:17 am)
Well, we live in Oklahoma and just bought our 2nd Avalon. I didn't get the replies in time to help with our decision on which model. Hopefully, the cold weather won't be as bad as up north so the sun roof won't rattle!!! We got the 2008 Limited because they made us a better deal than on the '09 models. It has 6800 miles and had been driven by the Toyota staff. Our first Avalon was a 2001 XL and we were very happy with it, but this '08 Limited is amazing. I don't want to get it out of the garage so I can protect it from car door dings and rocks!!! I've been on vacation so have to go back to work on Monday. We might get snow, so wish me luck on keeping the pearl tri-coat clean!!! I am very happy to be back in the Avalon family. Love my Avalon!!!
#77 of 266 Re: FWD vs RWD [houdini1]
Jan 01, 2009 (5:59 pm)
The TC, Traction Control, on the early LSes, prior to 2000, had a design that was better used with the fuse removed....NO ACTIVATION.
The braking of the rear wheels and engine dethrottling was virtually INSTANT, and seemingly took HOURS to unwind and return control of the throttle to the driver. After a few times with inadvertent activation I tried to religiously remember to turn it off each time I started the LS.
But the biggest mistake was actually yours, not having tire chains installed on the rear when clearly that was what was required.
The law of physics, you know.
"at that point the computer killed the engine.."
The TC in the early LS will so severely dethrottle the engine as to make you think it's stalled, and it doesn't help that it takes so l..o...n....g to "unwind" the dethrotting effect.