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Replying to: houdini1 (Dec 28, 2008 7:29 pm)
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Replying to: nimimi (Dec 27, 2008 5:01 pm) The point concerning the drive wheels also doing the steering - and the problems that creates such with Torque steer (especially with these newer high HP engines) , engine braking, and the natural weight imbalance that usually comes with FWD vehicles are., however, valid points. BUT, the primary advantage that he seemingly wants to dismiss, is exactly what you mention - traction on those slippery nasty roads. Many years ago, some of the better cars that would successfully allow you to navigate on really bad roads were the VW bug and some Saabs - RWD and rear engined cars - WHY - better traction from the weight over the drive wheels. You could get places that the front engined RWD cars at the time couldn't dream of, which then begs the real issue - what is safer, that RWD sedan you mention that gets you stuck (or even worse refuses to move (because of the traction/stability control systems )), or that FWD sedan that at least gets you where you want to go? Given the relative abilities of today's driver (a real problem) - and their lack of experience with any kind of RWD cars, it is clear that FWD cars are definitely the better choice, especially in parts of the country that do see snow covered/icy roads frequently. Unless, of course, we all want to start putting sandbags in our trunks again  For my part, I 'd be willing to bet - that any driver in an Avalon, will be able to get to more places more safely than he/she could in, let's say, a Chrysler 300
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Replying to: captain2 (Dec 29, 2008 8:40 am) Speaking of those early VW's that were a favorite of my USAF buddies in the late fifties in NH, look how long it has taken Porsche to "tame" their rear engine rear wheel drive 911's. Good aspect: rear engine RWD. Bad, BAD aspect: rear engine RWD....!! Once the rear of that VW started to inadvertently (intentional being quite another matter) "come about" there was NO recovery possible, as was the case for the 911. Yes, the automotive industry would like nothing more than for the public to continue drinking their Cool Aid, FWD Cool Aid. Oh, modern day TC, Traction Control, implementations on a RWD or R/AWD vehicle is a LOT more beniegn, less driver intrusive, than ANY modern day FWD or F/AWD implementation. Wheelspin/slip due to too much engine torque at the rear driven wheels is a lot less life threatening than the "same" event on the front "driven" wheels. But NO driver with a decent level of experience or training would/should have need, continuous need, of ANY TC system other than as an early warning of adverse roadbed conditions. |
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Replying to: captain2 (Dec 29, 2008 8:40 am) My concern of/about FWD & F/AWD is primarily about the greater potential for loss of directional control due to engine torque, leading or lagging. |
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Replying to: bobgwtw (Dec 28, 2008 6:56 pm) You cannot buy an XLS with heated seats for less than 35K, probably 36-37K when you add some other things that would be "nice to have", but not really necessary for nice comfortable transportation. In this economy, I would rather have the money in hand!
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Replying to: popsavalon (Dec 29, 2008 2:23 pm)
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Replying to: nimimi (Dec 29, 2008 3:22 pm) My main point was to be that that an XL is still a nice car for around 15% less than an XLS, if you are watching dollars. |
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Replying to: nimimi (Dec 29, 2008 3:22 pm) That happened here in NYC. The car was fully paid for by the time I drove it out of the showroom on that beautiful September day. Amaury '08 Limited |
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Since it appears that the Avalon will not return in 2010 I am thinking the Hyundai Genesis might be a worthy and less expensive replacement. I have seen the 290-hp Genesis up close but so far have not yet test driven it. At a Chevy/Hyundai dealership I had a chat with the sales manager and he said a good offer would be $800 below invoice. What do you guys think, is the Genesis the way to go or perhaps the Lexus ES350?
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Replying to: bwia (Dec 30, 2008 10:24 am) I thought about one before I purchased the Avalon, but at $3500.00 more then the Avalon, I couldn't see it. Of course it was the second phone call that had the price lowered to within the reach of the Avalon. I'm glad (so far) that I didn't purchase it … mostly because they just got a Very nice, low mileage unit in trade, and they are selling it for $16990.00! Now I point this out because right now, they DO NOT have a great following, or a very good re-sale value. That's a $20,000.00 PLUS drop in 1 model year (and only 11,300 miles). Now likely to be something about the car, but I don't see anything. Now checking online for used Avalon's brings up several come up, and ALL at nice high prices. Which makes me happy, that right now, they have a great re-sale value. For that reason alone, I would purchase a current model Avalon, and worried about the fact they MAY drop it from the lineup in a few years. I sold my 2007 Camry for $1,140.00 less then I paid for it, after 13 months and 38,000 miles My wife has been offered $11,400.00 as a trade for her 2003 Toyota Camry with 47,000 original miles on it. My point … Toyotas hold their value, and for that reason alone I would purchase another one. Hyundai Genesis gets for good reviews as the car goes, but most do wonder about the re-sale value. I will say, when you go to Toyota.com and compare the Genesis to the Avalon, there sure isn't as much difference as we would have though. Size, dimensions, space, room and so on, are very compatible. Sure makes you wonder which market Hyundai is after. I'm guessing it will be a nice car, but don't worry about the fact the Avalon may be gone as such in 2010, it will be replaced, not gone. Skip |
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