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Replying to: necro1234 (Dec 24, 2008 7:48 pm) - They ARE very smooth … - They ARE very quiet … - They RIDE real nice … but They suck in light snow, deep snow, ice … in my opinion of course. I drive in any kind of weather (salesman), and I need, want something I feel comfortable in. Something is it starts to snow and I've got 100 miles until I get home, I can drive safely, comfortably and without changing my driving style to much. I'm fine slowing down and being carful, but with these tires, I DON'T get that feeling. I have had to backdown and turn around twice so far on small hills, as I couldn't go forward anymore because of the spinning. I think I purchased these looking at the wrong things, i.e., smooth, quiet, road noise … I'm giving these tires one more snow storm, and if it's no better, I'm going to get something a bunch more aggressive - maybe even studded, and learn to live with the road noise, and ride in leu of safety and control. Skip PS I have been driving for 30 years, and most of them as an on the road salesman, and all of those years in Northern New England, and yes, ALL of those years accident feel, so to those who might be thinking, this guy just doesn't know - I think I do.
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Replying to: ncee (Dec 26, 2008 5:24 am) 30 years if driving in Northern New England and you don't yet know that there is NO tire, "bare" tire, that gives you a feeling of safety...??!! There is NO tire, NONE, that will provide a reasonable, comfortable and safe level of traction on an icy, slippery, packed snow, or ICE covered roadbed, most especially in a patently UNSAFE FWD vehicle. Yes, the extra weight over those front wheels due to the engine being in front will yield improved traction, DRIVE traction vs RWD, but now you, or the ABS/TC/VSC/EBD/BA ECU, must figure out how to apportion that traction between "drive" (leading or lagging {inadvertent compression braking} drive), and/or lateral, directional control. Much easier "computation" if "drive" is restricted to, or primarily to, the rear wheels, allocating most, or even ALL of the front tires' traction coefficient to the front, stearing, wheels/tires. Drive a Honda or Acura with SH-AWD for an understanding and STRONG feeling of safety with a properly designed drive system even with a sideways mounted engine/transaxle. Yes, learn to live with the NOISE and speed limitation, <25MPH, but of quickly and easily installing and removing tire chains. Don't contribute to the destruction of our roadbeds with studs, studs that MUST remain on, the clear majority of the time, even on a DRY roadbed. Speaking as one who has been driving around for over a week now in a F/AWD '01 RX300 with tire chains on ALL 4 wheels. Almost 2 feet of snow here at home. A White Christmas is not so nice if the family/guests cannot arrive.
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Replying to: wwest (Dec 26, 2008 10:47 am) I would not agree. I had Dunlop Grasppics on my Camry, and they were MUCH better. I read several reports from owners of the Blizzaks and they seemed to speak very higher of the tire, and all conditions? I have also had many other snow tires in the past, that I felt MUCH more comfortable with. Many that didn't cause me to change my driving habits as the weather changed. Now I'm wondering, if I would have enjoyed the Audi A6 AWD better, at least during the winter time. I'm glad I purchased the Avalon, and feel I made the right decision at the time, and in the long haul. I'm sure the Avalon will have a much better re-sell value and a much small COO (Cost of ownership) over the next few years. Skip |
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Replying to: wwest (Dec 26, 2008 10:47 am) I have noticed in several other forums you always refer to FWD as unsafe. I have owned both RWD and FWD and find both have advantages. However, I have never felt unsafe in any conditions with a FWD vehicle. Are these your conclusions or is there an article somewhere that I can read up on it? |
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Replying to: tjc78 (Dec 27, 2008 9:50 am) After driving RWD's for 30 years and FWD's for the last 17 years, FWD is vastly superior to RWD in terms of both safety and handling. |
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Replying to: nimimi (Dec 27, 2008 5:01 pm) |
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Replying to: ncee (Dec 26, 2008 5:24 am) I've never had snow tyres before so cannot speak as to where these sit on the "snow tyre league". We have had some rather large snow storms down here in Utah and all I know is going through snow before the plows have had a chance as well as going on slick roads after the fact, these Blizzaks have offered a good amount of grip. I was sliding down hills the week before on my stock Michellin AS tyres but now have no problem climbing the same hill as long as my foot is under control on the gas. I purchased the WS-60's after reading a lot of reviews in comparison to other snow tyres and after not wanting studded tyres. They have received some impressive reviews and so far have offered me very good grip on icey roads, wet roads and snow covered roads. I would not count myself as any form of authority on this though as I said these are my first set of snow tyres and chose to go for what was getting the best reviews. You may be in an area with driving conditions that are far more sever to what I have to face here daily though. Let us know what tyres you end up sticking witgh that you find work best for you. Thanks Sheldon |
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I might not be happy with the snow tires I've purchased, but I too, would not agree with RWD being better then FWD. But I would also add, that I am fine with either, and in all cases, I have just made sure to have snow tires that I liked, and that woreked for me on each car. I have owned several front wheel drive (the last 10 cars) and MANY more RWD cars. My favorite car so far, was my 1972 Cutless Supreme, with 4 studded snow tires! That car would and did go anywhere, and I felt very comfortable driving it at all times. Now I should point out, I was a bunch younger, and likely to be a bunch crazier, and shiit bothered me a whole hell of a lot less then it does now. I will say, all of the Pontiac Catalina's were great in the snow, but again, I likely had studded tires on them, and I was younger. Those cars were nice and heavy, which I'm sure had a lot to do with how well they went in the snow (if I remember correctly:) ) Skip
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