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#238 of 266 Re: Avalon's length [stormin800]
Jan 05, 2010 (2:12 am)
When Toyota went from '03 to the current Avalon they finally understood the long over due need to have a flagship, besides the LS. You simply cannot have a flagship using the midsize chassis and wheel base hense the new length. At the same time, and following the trends set by others mid size cars got larger. The current Camry's back seat is about the same as the '03 Avalon. So that's really the car to go for, for a smaller package with similar amenities. As far as advertising more, that's not going to happen because of the age demographic. It's a niche car at the large boulevard cruiser size, and that appeals to an age group (read older), who are not car enthsiasts but comfort enthusiasts. If Toyota really wanted to lower the age of the Avalon buyer they would advertise, but that would cut into Camry sales or LS's. Think about it, if Toyota is already the world's largest maker, and they have the lion's share of sales in the large car market, trying to sell more by advertising would only canabalize their own models. Who should they take sales from Ford's 500, (oops I mean Taurus)? The other large cars are $35,000 more and are called SClass, 750's and LS's. Not our market. BTW, I have a 2007 Limited in Silver Pine Mica. Best car I have ever owned and the best color too. Am waiting for the 2011 to make a trade so I hope they improve on what is already a great package.
#239 of 266 Re: Avalon's length [ntassistant]
Jan 05, 2010 (4:34 am)
One of the small benefits to being a traveling salesman. I can check out colors an options of cars anywhere from Maine to Florida. I point this out to say, if you want to check out colors an options for the car you want, think about a longer driver, to get what you want. Once you've seen the car, if you like it, see if they will do a "Dealer Swap" with your local dealer. Heck, they may make you an offer you can't refuse, just to get the sale.
The down side is, your local dealer won't like the fact you did this, so to make both parties happy, look around and don't ask the dealer with the car, just tell the local dealer where you saw / drove one, and ask if they can see about a dealer swap.
Going the extra mile with insure that you are one of the only people in your area with a car in those colors and with those options.
#240 of 266 Re: Avalon's length [toyman2]
Jan 05, 2010 (6:20 am)
What you say makes more sense to me now. Thanks for taking the time to explain. My 2003 is a really good size for me, easy to manipulate in traffic and easy to park. My parents drove monster cars in the 80's that my kids called love boats. I just hated to see the Avalon grown into this monster car.
In purchasing a new vehicle I have looked at the Camry and even the Venza. But, as you can imagine, they do not have the luxury features of my 2003 Avalon. Guess I will have to compromise by either purchasing the longer Avalon or going with Camry or Venza and not have the luxury.
My Alvalon is basically the same color as your 2007 and I love it. I may get the same color again.
#241 of 266 Re: Avalon's length [cjutson]
Jan 05, 2010 (6:56 am)
If I were Toyota I would drop the current Avalon in favor of a Toyota "clone" of the GS350. Now THAT would constitute a TOYOTA FLAGSHIP, top of the FLEET..!!
#242 of 266 Re: Avalon's length [cjutson]
Jan 05, 2010 (1:43 pm)
This is an interesting discussion about the size of cars. A person's perception about size must have to do with their experience through the years and I don't feel like an 'old fogey' when it comes to my taste in cars even though I may be. I like the Avalon because it handles well with the power it has relative to its size and can comfortably eat up miles on long trips. But, I don't feel the Avalon is a big boat. It may be on the large size by today's standards (if you don't count the SUVs, pickups, and vans) but certainly not large relative to cars that I grew up with which goes back to my parent's Model A they had when I was born. Also, remember the Oldsmobile with 44 pounds of chrome. I think one of the best cars of the 80s was the Ford Taurus and it stayed that way until they had some high school dropouts redesign it. I hope the new model brings back innovations like it originally had. Anyway, there's a lot of car models out there because there are a lot of different opinions on what is a good car.
#243 of 266 Re: Avalon's length [wwest]
Jan 06, 2010 (10:49 am)
I have seen these comments before about the GS350 clone, and I am still confused by the logic. If you want a GS350, buy one for about $40+k, but why move the Avalon from the excellent, comfortable, roomy, vehicle that it is, and add $10K to the price?
There are several other $40K clone vehicles out there already, why would Toyota want to add another to compete with Lexus?
#244 of 266 Re: Avalon's length [popsavalon]
Jan 06, 2010 (2:45 pm)
If the lowly but best selling Camry can be spiffed up, dressed up, to sell as the more upscale ES350, why not an "undressed" GS350 as a RWD Avalon??
"..why would Toyota want add another to compete with Lexus..."
You mean, say, like the new Venza...??
At this moment I would be buying a F/awd Venza with the new I4 instead of an RX350.
On the other hand a F/awd RX225 using the Venza platform but with the Venza's I4 adapted for DFI and e/VVT-i would put me in the market NOW...!!
#245 of 266 Re: Avalon's length [wwest]
Jan 07, 2010 (4:52 am)
why not an "undressed" GS350 as a RWD Avalon??
Too small... now OTOH I like your thinking how about an "undressed" LS and instead of the V8 the 2GR-FSE (direct injection) V6 under the hood.... sign me up!
#246 of 266 Re: Avalon's length [wwest]
Jan 14, 2010 (12:19 am)
There are several reasons we will never see a decontented GS350 to replace the Avalon. First and foremost is they need the FRONT Drive Camry as the base car. The Avalon has always used the last Camry subframe and the new one will be no exception. It is no coincidence that the 2011 Camry is also a new model leaving the old architecture to be the "new" stretched version of the 2011 Avalon. Also remember the GS is built in Japan, as Toyota has no rear wheel platforms in the USA it is virtually impossible based on the qty. for Avalon to go it alone as RWD. Remember the economies necessary to justify its existence side by side with the Camry in Kentucky. And although some people resent this characterization, RWD cars are not bought by our demographic. Avalon's age group prefers safe, non-skidding front drivers, not fish tailing RWD's regardless of how much anti swerve mechanics are built in, we will never give up FWD. And finally my favorite argument I always give. Toyota does not want another mid-sizer to be the flagship. Want proof. Look how poorly the Maxima does as flagship because it is the same size as the Altima. And the Acura RL is all but extinct as the flagship because it is virtually the same size as the TL.
#247 of 266 Re: Avalon's length [toyman2]
Jan 14, 2010 (5:02 am)
You know something, I can't honestly say, I have ever felt more comfortable driving a FWD car over a RWD car? And what's worst, I can't honestly say, I've ever noticed a difference, until I've TRIED to fishtail the rear while driving in the snow. I find that a bit weird and interesting now that folks mention it.
I've owned over 35 cars so far, with 3/4+ of them being RWD cars. The most recent (last 10 years or so) have been FWD cars (7 Toyotas a Honda and a chevy Vega that I'm not sure if that was FWD or RWD), the others, Pontiacs, (Catallina's, GTO) Buicks, (3 Park Avenue's, 1 GS) Ford (piece of shiet, Tempo), Chevys, (Vega, 66 Impale SS, Monte Carlo) Olds (Vista Crusie, Cutlass's) to name but a few. And I must admit, driving all of these cars while living in northern New England (Maine area) I can't say as I ever felt any more comfortabal or safer in any one of these cars, any more then the other, as far as RWD vs FWD.
In any case, I just hope they DO re-design the Avalon, and that it is a design I / we like, because I'll be looking to trade late this year.