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#234 of 266 Re: Avalon's length [lsunday]
Jan 02, 2010 (12:05 pm)
I agree 100% with you. Toyota should be putting more effort into marketing the Avalon. I remember back in early spring 2005, when this current, 3rd generation debuted, there was one television commercial. I specifically remember the commercial focusing on the rain sensing wipers on the Limited model. This was the only major advertising on national TV for this current generation Avalon. After 2005, Toyota has not really brought much attention to the Avalon. Now there is zero % financing available on new 2010 models. This is about the only advertising the Avalon has received (along with the other Toyota vehicles being offered with the same financing specials).
Also, as you mentioned, dealers should have more than 3-4 Avalons on their lots for sale. I don't think I've ever visited a Toyota dealership with more than 5 Avalons available on the lot! Dealerships should have a good selection of each model offered along with a good selection of interior/exterior color combinations. I realize the Avalon isn't Toyota's #1 seller. However, it would be nice to have more choices of the Avalon to see at dealerships.
It seems as though Toyota is really pushing the Limited model. Most dealers in the New England region only have Avalons in the Limited model on their lots. I've noticed this since 2008, when the Avalon received a minor redesign. Occaisonally, an XL or XLS model will roll in and sell rather quickly. Does anyone else notice this in different parts of the country?
#235 of 266 Re: Avalon's length [ntassistant]
Jan 02, 2010 (12:26 pm)
Here in Arizona we see mostly XLS models on the dealer lots. Those are more than likely white, silver or black. I finally located a Silver Pine Mica Limited and bought it before anyone else could. That was after a year of scouring the internet and dealer lots. I didn't want to order one before I saw one up close and personal. I have had many positive comments about the car and the color. I love it.
#236 of 266 Re: Avalon's length [lsunday]
Jan 02, 2010 (3:29 pm)
Very interesting! In New England most new, available Avalons are silver, black, and Magnetic Grey. The Silver Pine Mica, Cocoa Bean, Blue Mirage, and Cassis Pearl, are not able to be found anywhere in New England.
After 2008, when the Touring model was discontinued, I wanted to purchase a 2009 XLS in Blue Mirage with dark charcoal interior. I love this color combo.! Beginning in 2009, Toyota offered the dark charcoal interior on the XLS and Limited models. For quite some time, I checked dealer inventories within a 100 mile radius from where I live. I could not find such car in this color combo. I insisted on buying a new Avalon with the dark charcoal interior. Finally, in October 2009, I found a silver XLS with dark charcoal interior and the factory options that I wanted. To find any Avalon with dark charcoal interior, in the New England region was almost impossible! It took almost two years for me to find one with dark charcoal interior! Even though I wanted the Blue Mirage, I like the silver exterior as it is light and doesn't show the dirt as much as a darker color, especially with the road salt associated with New England winters! I was told by several dealers that I would have to order the blue and black combo. Like you, I wanted to see the car in person without having to order it!
#237 of 266 Re: Avalon's length [cjutson]
Jan 02, 2010 (7:30 pm)
Do not fear the longer length of the new Gen 3 (05-10) Avalons vs your Gen 2 (03) Avalon. I traded my 03 for an 06 and it felt far from like riding in the "Big Boat". As a matter of fact, due to the suspension tuning etc, the newer Gen 3 feels less like riding in a big boat then my 03 Avalon did. It feels smaller because the front seat is smaller and tighter (wider center console and dashboard). I was hesitant to get rid of the 03 because it was so good to me for 80,000 miles, but I started to notice that the suspension wasn't as tight as it was when it was new. I also felt that my luck of spending money only on oil changes,brakes and tires was coming to an end, even though I read on this forum about many people with Gen 2 Avalons with hundreds of thousands of miles on their cars. So far, I am very happy with the 06 and it looks better than the 03.
I do agree that the Avalon is one of Toyotas best kept secrets. If they actually tried to sell this model with a marketing campaign, they would certainly sell many more Avalons. I am sure that they would hurt some of their Lexus sales, but they would more than make up for the loss Lexus sales with Avalon converts from many other manufacturers.
#238 of 266 Re: Avalon's length [stormin800]
Jan 05, 2010 (2:12 am)
When Toyota went from '03 to the current Avalon they finally understood the long over due need to have a flagship, besides the LS. You simply cannot have a flagship using the midsize chassis and wheel base hense the new length. At the same time, and following the trends set by others mid size cars got larger. The current Camry's back seat is about the same as the '03 Avalon. So that's really the car to go for, for a smaller package with similar amenities. As far as advertising more, that's not going to happen because of the age demographic. It's a niche car at the large boulevard cruiser size, and that appeals to an age group (read older), who are not car enthsiasts but comfort enthusiasts. If Toyota really wanted to lower the age of the Avalon buyer they would advertise, but that would cut into Camry sales or LS's. Think about it, if Toyota is already the world's largest maker, and they have the lion's share of sales in the large car market, trying to sell more by advertising would only canabalize their own models. Who should they take sales from Ford's 500, (oops I mean Taurus)? The other large cars are $35,000 more and are called SClass, 750's and LS's. Not our market. BTW, I have a 2007 Limited in Silver Pine Mica. Best car I have ever owned and the best color too. Am waiting for the 2011 to make a trade so I hope they improve on what is already a great package.
#239 of 266 Re: Avalon's length [ntassistant]
Jan 05, 2010 (4:34 am)
One of the small benefits to being a traveling salesman. I can check out colors an options of cars anywhere from Maine to Florida. I point this out to say, if you want to check out colors an options for the car you want, think about a longer driver, to get what you want. Once you've seen the car, if you like it, see if they will do a "Dealer Swap" with your local dealer. Heck, they may make you an offer you can't refuse, just to get the sale.
The down side is, your local dealer won't like the fact you did this, so to make both parties happy, look around and don't ask the dealer with the car, just tell the local dealer where you saw / drove one, and ask if they can see about a dealer swap.
Going the extra mile with insure that you are one of the only people in your area with a car in those colors and with those options.
#240 of 266 Re: Avalon's length [toyman2]
Jan 05, 2010 (6:20 am)
What you say makes more sense to me now. Thanks for taking the time to explain. My 2003 is a really good size for me, easy to manipulate in traffic and easy to park. My parents drove monster cars in the 80's that my kids called love boats. I just hated to see the Avalon grown into this monster car.
In purchasing a new vehicle I have looked at the Camry and even the Venza. But, as you can imagine, they do not have the luxury features of my 2003 Avalon. Guess I will have to compromise by either purchasing the longer Avalon or going with Camry or Venza and not have the luxury.
My Alvalon is basically the same color as your 2007 and I love it. I may get the same color again.
#241 of 266 Re: Avalon's length [cjutson]
Jan 05, 2010 (6:56 am)
If I were Toyota I would drop the current Avalon in favor of a Toyota "clone" of the GS350. Now THAT would constitute a TOYOTA FLAGSHIP, top of the FLEET..!!
#242 of 266 Re: Avalon's length [cjutson]
Jan 05, 2010 (1:43 pm)
This is an interesting discussion about the size of cars. A person's perception about size must have to do with their experience through the years and I don't feel like an 'old fogey' when it comes to my taste in cars even though I may be. I like the Avalon because it handles well with the power it has relative to its size and can comfortably eat up miles on long trips. But, I don't feel the Avalon is a big boat. It may be on the large size by today's standards (if you don't count the SUVs, pickups, and vans) but certainly not large relative to cars that I grew up with which goes back to my parent's Model A they had when I was born. Also, remember the Oldsmobile with 44 pounds of chrome. I think one of the best cars of the 80s was the Ford Taurus and it stayed that way until they had some high school dropouts redesign it. I hope the new model brings back innovations like it originally had. Anyway, there's a lot of car models out there because there are a lot of different opinions on what is a good car.
#243 of 266 Re: Avalon's length [wwest]
Jan 06, 2010 (10:49 am)
I have seen these comments before about the GS350 clone, and I am still confused by the logic. If you want a GS350, buy one for about $40+k, but why move the Avalon from the excellent, comfortable, roomy, vehicle that it is, and add $10K to the price?
There are several other $40K clone vehicles out there already, why would Toyota want to add another to compete with Lexus?