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#222 of 266 Re: Toyota Cutting Costs? [necro1234]
Dec 31, 2009 (10:51 pm)
Toyota needs to study GM history and repent. They need to drop some car lines. (Not the Avalon). They have way too many. Do they need a Yaris, a Corolla, and the Scion? All of that costs a ton of money. The bean counters took over GM and the result, as we all know, has been a disaster.
I had a 2005 Lexus ES 330 with the 5 speed transmission. It was a joke. Smooth it was not. One of the big reasons I traded it. The 6 speed in my 2008 Avalon is smooth as silk and a dream to drive. Just made a 300 mile trip in the mountains with it 2 days ago. It's performance was great.
#223 of 266 Re: Toyota Cutting Costs? [ntassistant]
Jan 01, 2010 (6:29 am)
Title said "Probably means using cheaper parts". This is the reporters take on it.
Yes Toyota wants it's supplies to cut there cost, hell, Toyota is now the biggest or in the top 5 for sure, selling car in the world, and they want to stay there!
MY GUESS is, there suppliers will do what they can, but Toyota will not have much choice but to pay whatever the prices are for the parts they need.
I would agree with others who say "Stop adding lines to your line up", if something is selling well, that's one thing, but come on, Yaris, Scion and the models that are similar within Toyota.
The way Toyota got to the top was their reputation for quality and re-sell value, take that away, and your are just another Ford, Chevy, Dodge, Oldsmobile
Make the cars last, make them good looking, make them at an affordable price (for what you get), and you'll be fine.
#224 of 266 Re: Toyota Cutting Costs? [ntassistant]
Jan 01, 2010 (6:42 am)
So, turns out Toyota is number one in two categories - Sales and Recalls
Go ahead and make them cheaper, you'll be sure to be number one in two categories year after year, well not two categories, after awhile folks will stop buying your cars and you'll only be number 1 in one
#225 of 266 Re: Toyota Cutting Costs? [ntassistant]
Jan 01, 2010 (7:07 am)
I read the article and found is was short and vague. There is also an assumption that the parts will be inferior, not just cost less. The article also states there are 200 parts involved which, as the article mentioned, is a very small percentage of the total and doesn't mention which models are involved. Doing this for the cheaper models would have more impact than on the very expensive models. I would think that if a part were to change the Toyota engineers would have to redesign the part, not just take redesigns from the part manufacturers or simply accept parts made from different materials. And, there are other ways of reducing costs without changing the part. We will probably never notice in future cars which parts cost less than before.
On another point, I like my 6-speed transmission.
#226 of 266 Avalon's length
Jan 01, 2010 (4:48 pm)
If Toyota is indeed revamping the Avalon for 2011, I am hoping they design it shorter than the 2010 Avalon. My 2003 Avalon is 191.9 inches in length but the 2010 Avalon has grown to 197.2 inches in length - 6.3 inches longer than the 2003 Avalon. I question Toyota's reasoning when I compare the Avalon to a 2010 Lexus ES (191.1) and Lexus GS (190.7).
I love my 2003 Avalon and want to purchase a new Avalon but do not want to drive a really big car. I definitely do not want the Avalon to turn into my parents 1980's something Oldsmobile "Love Boats." Do other people have this concern?
#227 of 266 Re: Avalon's length [cjutson]
Jan 01, 2010 (7:44 pm)
I don't have that concern. One of the reasons I bought the Avalon (2008) is because of its size. I want it to ride like a big car, not a jumpy little car. I've always felt that way and I guess it's because the car I grew up with in high school was a 1951 Chrysler.
#228 of 266 Re: Avalon's length [cjutson]
Jan 02, 2010 (8:30 am)
I do not have a concern. I think most Avalon owners (me included) buy them for the roominess and comfort. There are a lot of nice, smaller cars out there. Why hope for the Avalon to join them?
#229 of 266 Re: Avalon's length [cjutson]
Jan 02, 2010 (8:57 am)
Big, Long and Lean
that's how I like my cars (and women:).
I had 3 Buick Park Avenues before purchasing my 2008 Avalon, and would look at other cars, if they choose to make it smaller.
Heck, with 4 adults on a 2 week vacation, it was much tighter then I liked:(
The trunk was barely large enough for the suitcases, and this is with a few pieces in the back seat.
Like someone said, there are plenty of very nice smaller cars
(Camry, Hyundai, BMW 3 series, Audi A4, VW CC anyone), so if you want smaller, get a car designed to be smaller.
This waiting is killing me
I'd love to see some sneak pictures, specs on what might be the 2011 Avalon.
#230 of 266 Avalon's length
Jan 02, 2010 (8:59 am)
I love my 2003 Avalon and just hated to see it grown, to what I remember, as my parents Oldmobile "love boats". When comparing the 2010 Avalon length to Maxima, Lexus models, and Buick Lucerne, only the Lucerne is longer than Avalon. The others are in the 190 - 192 range.
#231 of 266 Re: 2011 Avalon
Jan 02, 2010 (9:12 am)
Not sure about everyone, but MANY folks will likely look at the new Buick Lacrosse as a great choice. Now it's not a Toyota, but it is getting some VERY nice reviews.
If they sell many, that is that many less Toyota will sell, as most people won't trade-in a 1 year old car, unless they don't like it, or the 2011 Avalon is something REAL sweet.