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#167 of 266 Re: End of 2010 model production date? [necro1234]
Nov 27, 2009 (2:47 pm)
Thank you for your replies! I feel better after hearing from current owners. In my mind, I felt like I bought a lemon! Toyota has always been my only choice of vehicles and probably will always be my only choice! I think I truly have to get use to this new car. A Corolla drives entirely different than the Avalon, and I have to get use to this new change!
The Avalon is so quiet, that you can hear the slightest sounds! At least I know the car is mechanically fine and that the sounds I'm hearing are normal. Thank you very much for your help!
#168 of 266 Re: End of 2010 model production date? [tjc78]
Nov 27, 2009 (5:15 pm)
No, the "trans" will actually downshift, sequentually, again and again as roadspeed declines, but not to such a level as to make it a safety issue due to engine braking on teh front wheels. The intent is to enhance FE via extending the "fuel cut" coastdown period/time but without stalling the engine.
The new (07..??) ECU control firmware "watches" the rate at which you release pressure on the gas pedal and if you release gas pedal pressure significant quicker than your average the transaxle is more likely to remain in the lower gear you were just using for acceleration. Presumption being that you wish to now coast down to a lower speed.
This technique is used to (hopefully) avoid some of the inadvertent upshifts that often proceed a need to downshift. In the past the transaxle would ALWAYS upshift as you released pressure on the gas pedal on the presumption that you wished to enter cruise mode.
#169 of 266 Re: End of 2010 model production date? [wwest]
Nov 28, 2009 (5:15 am)
OK, because from what I remember of my '06 (5 speed in that year) was that on a level grade at low speeds the RPMs would drop (upon lifting up on the pedal) to me indicating an upshift. It shifts so smooth sometimes you can't tell. This is where alot of the infamous hesistation problems people complain about arose. Let off the gas, then in a few seconds put your foot back down and there was (still is?) a second delay while the tranny makes up its mind to downshift (probably doesn't have enough pump pressure at low RPM??).
#170 of 266 2010 Avalon or Camry?
Nov 28, 2009 (7:56 am)
I have a 2003 Avalon XLS and have loved it! Unfortunately, because the mileage is above 100,000 miles, it is time to begin looking for its replacement. I drove the 2010 Avalon and loved the feel but found it to be over 5 inches longer than the 2003. I really like a shorter car. The Camry is about the same length as my 2003 Avalon. Has anyone gone from a fully loaded Avalon to a fully loaded Camry and liked it? What about a Nissan Maxima?
#171 of 266 Re: End of 2010 model production date? [tjc78]
Nov 28, 2009 (8:15 am)
First, the RPMs will always drop somewhat due to "unloading" the torque converter.
But you are otherwise correct, probably correct on two counts. First, I don't think your '06 had the firmware version that tried to avoid upshifting. And second, the fuel cut downshifting for FE wasn't as predominant.
"..in a few seconds.."
No, I think in order to encounter the extended, most noticeable, downshift delay/hesitation you must get back on the gas almost immediately after the transaxle begins the upshift, or during the upshift sequence. Wait a few seconds and the ATF pump will have time to "rebuild" the pressure.
#172 of 266 Re: 2010 Avalon or Camry? [cjutson]
Nov 28, 2009 (11:48 am)
We have a 2004 Avalon XLS that we purchased new and really love the car. The dealers keep wanting me to trade it and I won't consider it. We also have a 2008 Avalon Limited. I love it also. The extra length is not a problem and adds to the ride quality. If you have adult rear seat passengers do not consider a Camry or a Nissan or a Lexus ES. They don't have any rear seat room. Both of our Avalons are quite deceptive when it comes to rear seat room - they have a ton but don't look like it from the outside. My advice - go with the Avalon. I went from the 2004 Avalon to a Lexus ES (my wife took the 2004) back to an Avalon. I am so glad to be be back driving an Avalon. In reality, your 2003 probably has another 100K miles in it with proper maintenance.
#173 of 266 Re: 2010 Avalon or Camry? [lsunday]
Nov 28, 2009 (5:29 pm)
Thanks for the good advice. Today I test drove a 2010 Nissan Maxima, a fully loaded Camry, a fully loaded Venza and a fully loaded Avalon. By far the Avalon had the best ride! If we settled for anything else we would feel we had stepped down.
I am concerned that Toyota will discontinue the Avalon. We went to a very large Toyota dealership in the DFW area and they only had 4 Avalons on the lot. Right now it looks like we will be driving another Avalon - just hope they continue to carry the line.
#174 of 266 Re: 2010 Avalon or Camry? [cjutson]
Nov 28, 2009 (7:22 pm)
A 2011 Avalon--fully redesigned-- is currently being tooled up for an expected debut in Feb or March 2010. The only thing I could get from my dealer is that it is more "Lexus like" and will have a better nav system.
#175 of 266 2010 Avalon Recall(s)?
Nov 29, 2009 (9:26 am)
I am wondering if the only recall regarding the 2010 Avalon is the issue involving the accelerator and floor mat. Here is the link to the description of the recall:
Does anyone else know of any official recalls for the 2010 model year? I am a bit confused regarding the recall with the floor mat and the accelerator. My neighbor, an older woman, also purchased a new 2010 Avalon. She claims that she's received several recalls for this new car within a month. One being a hose associated with the motor oil, and another that she described as the car (possibly)accelerating rapidly on its own (not as a result of the floor mat getting stuck with the gas pedal). This is another entirely different issue. Can someone please clarify?
I've only had my car for nearly 3 weeks and have not yet received an official recall notices from Toyota.
#176 of 266 Re: 2010 Avalon Recall(s)? [ntassistant]
Nov 29, 2009 (9:35 am)
Well mine is the 2007 XLS, I have only received one letter regarding the stuck accelerator and as my other post suggested, it did look to turn out to be user error in using mats not designed for the vehicle or not using the hooks to clip them in place.
Personally when you pay 35000 for a vehicle, I somehow don't think the majority of us go for grey import mats of lesser quality, I for one went for the Toyota mats designed for the vehicle and hence have never and will never have this problem.
There may have been other recalls before my vehicle though, so far I've had no issues *knock wood*